On that video, you'll see that the Russians have confirmed the approach of the comet that could very well wipe out life by sec 2012. The translation may be dubious, but the general sentiment is there.
If you're into prayer, spell casting, manifestation or whatever, now may be a good time to train it onto aversion.
What do you think? _________________ Sono caldo. Mi piace donna!
Pity the massive increase of *observable* comets in the Earth's vicinity has skyrocketed.
1) Evidence please. 2) Just because we're observing more now due to more advanced observational technology doesn't mean their numbers have changed AT ALL. It just means we know they are there now.
The problem with doomsday theories like this is that they're all about correlation, which while in some cases may allow for some interesting trains of thought, are mostly useless. For example, if 80% of heart attacks happen while the moon is in the sky, does that mean the moon causes heart attacks?
Despite the fact that the earth has been hit by comets in the past, there is no astronomical data to suggest that we are going to be hit by one in 2012. In fact, just the opposite is true. We are actively looking for objects that may impact us at some future date. At this point there is no object, comet or otherwise, that is going to hit us, or even come that close, in 2012
If there were a near Earth object large enough to cause catastrophic damage to Earth and close enough to us to hit us in 2012, it would be visible and already discovered. It would be extremely difficult for the government to cover up such a thing (which I seriously doubt that they would) because there would likely be at least one whistle-blower that would make the information public.
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Pity that we know more are coming, and something is bound to hit us.
It is true that Earth is at risk for being hit by a comet, asteroid, meteorite at some point in time, there are many scientists on the look out for such an object, but there is NO comet, planet, asteroid, etc that will "end the world" in 2012.
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If only it was a hoax.
I think the 2012 stuff is more of a perpetuation of misinformation that just snowballed, I think most of the 2012 information isn't from persons trying to deceive people into believing the end of the world will happen in 2012, I think a lot of them are just misinformed or just believe this stuff out of fear and then it spreads.. especially in metaphysical communities.
I don't think I'm going to convince you otherwise though We are all free to believe what we choose, but with that same freedom of belief I would hope that people would choose beliefs that serve them rather than having them live in fear of an imminent doomsday.
Regardless, I look forward to bumping this thread again on December 22, 2012
I doubt it would occur. Predictions made thousands of years ago may be over ridden by the billions of permunations arising from todays variables _________________ Just as the highest and the lowest notes are equally inaudible, so perhaps, is the greatest sense and the greatest nonsense equally unintelligible.
Firstly, lets ask ourselves, do we have any databases that publicly display this information?
Well there happen to be a few. Of course we got NASA, and its list of Near Earth Objects.
They can be viewed at the link provided.
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1) Evidence please.
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/ca
So we see that there are plenty of NEOs within our close vicinity.
And quite a few of them get REALLY close.
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2) Just because we're observing more now due to more advanced observational technology doesn't mean their numbers have changed AT ALL. It just means we know they are there now.
You raise a good point. It may not be that the numbers have changed at all. We might just be able to see them. But on that point, we most definitely aren't infallible.
I'm reminded of a number of NEOs that actually crept closer then the moon, barely being spotted before they passed by the Earth(and thank god they did!). Below are two examples from the same NASA website, of comets passing very close to the Earth, less then 1 Lunar Distance. Thats CLOSE. Thankfully, these two are small.
I'm also reminded of another recent article I read, demonstrating that our eyes covering the sky really aren't all that great. I certainly we hope whatever comet that dust belonged to. And the following one, demonstrating out total lack of defenses even IF we DID spot the NEO in advance.
The above part is only to demonstrate that not only are NEOs and comets a danger to us humans living on the Earth, but that they are an EVERPRESENT danger. We will always face the risk of an NEO hitting the Earth causing incredible calamity.
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If there were a near Earth object large enough to cause catastrophic damage to Earth and close enough to us to hit us in 2012, it would be visible and already discovered. It would be extremely difficult for the government to cover up such a thing (which I seriously doubt that they would) because there would likely be at least one whistle-blower that would make the information public.
As I've demonstrated, our eyes in the really aren't that great. Or rather, they aren't as great as they need to be in order to insure that we have proper warning. So the argument that it would already be discovered isn't necessarily valid, although I agree that in all likelihood we would have discovered an NEO with the destructive capacity to cause the 'end of the world'.
Second, its well known that in the event of an impending disaster that would cause incredible panic and disruption, the US government, particularly NASA, is law-bound NOT to tell the public, in order to prevent mass panic. It also wouldn't be that difficult to cover it up. Consider the present arrangement over the media in the western world. Consider how the USA prosecutes its whistleblowers brutally. Consider that the alternative for such whisteblowers, to get their stories heard, is to go to the fringe media which, though gaining might, is still just 'fringe'.
Finally, I agree that there would totally be leaks, and I'm certain there have been already. I have a friend who's relative(who works at NASA) has said that there is an NEO of catastrophic proportions heading towards the Earth. There are most certainly leaks, which in part, is why this idea is gaining weight really fast.
To address an earlier point, whats to say that there are more comets around the Earth today then in the past?
To that, I refer to the recent plethora of sonic boom and rumbling articles spread across the net. Here's one.
This is hardly the only one. Prior to 2011, I think I've read a total... 3 articles on such booms? MAYBE 3? Not even I think. But suddenly, this year, they've starting springing up EVERYWHERE.
And I really doubt that its simply me, not noticing them before. I really doubt that.
The most obvious and probably cause is, to me, meteors, and indeed many bright lights blazing across the sky are reported shortly before the boom.
It is this increase in booms upon which I base my conclusion that there is an increase in comets/meteors/NEOs that pose a danger to Humanity. This conclusion is susceptible to change of course, but only within the confines demonstrated by clear evidence.
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I think the 2012 stuff is more of a perpetuation of misinformation that just snowballed, I think most of the 2012 information isn't from persons trying to deceive people into believing the end of the world will happen in 2012, I think a lot of them are just misinformed or just believe this stuff out of fear and then it spreads.. especially in metaphysical communities.
I don't think I'm going to convince you otherwise though Sad We are all free to believe what we choose, but with that same freedom of belief I would hope that people would choose beliefs that serve them rather than having them live in fear of an imminent doomsday.
Regardless, I look forward to bumping this thread again on December 22, 2012 Wink
I totally agree that the bulk of the 2012 brainjunk is the result of misinformation, bad movies, and wayyyyy to much of the wrong publicity. I also agree that metaphysical communities, which all too often today have a TOTAL lack of logical footing and evidence, are totally susceptible to the 2012 joke-hype.
That said, we've got to base our beliefs on what evidence we have available. While the metaphysical and new age community is in many cases, rightfully a joke, the mysterious increase in what seems to be meteor impacts on the Earth must be noted.
I should also clarify, that I am not a believer in the 2012 hype. I know too little about the Mayans to judge anything about their DAMN calendar which has caused a lot of distress.
However, the evidence DOES suggest that something is going on in our skies and local space.
PS. I myself saw a very noticeable meteor on August 6th, at the Festival of Light. RB, you may know that is the fireworks show, and August 6th was the night Canada launched their show. I haven't found anymore information on that meteor though(although there was many thousands of people there, I wasn't alone), if you or anyone knows anything about this, give me the heads up!
PPS. Whew! Thats my longest post in 6 months. How refreshing.
The NEOs in that database, most are too small to be of any consequence, right? Their mass is negligible to the point the theyll simply burn up in the atmosphere (unlike on the airless moon, where they hit the surface).
So unless I get news about a rock the size of manhattan coming our way (and therefore massive enough to punch through the atmosphere), I'm sleeping happy and partying all day.
Meanwhile, I'll just grin at all the cults selling salvation _________________
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The NEOs in that database, most are too small to be of any consequence, right? Their mass is negligible to the point the theyll simply burn up in the atmosphere (unlike on the airless moon, where they hit the surface).
So unless I get news about a rock the size of manhattan coming our way (and therefore massive enough to punch through the atmosphere), I'm sleeping happy and partying all day.
Meanwhile, I'll just grin at all the cults selling salvation
Not at all!
The Tunguska event, which was probably a few dozen meters cubed(probably, could have been smaller or larger, but not by a whole lot) was as strong as the Castle Bravo thermnuclear bomb.
Thats over 1000 hiroshima's in strength(yes, I got that particular figure from wikipedia).
Basically, anything over 15 or so meters is going to get through the atmosphere can cause horrendous damage. If its 50 meters and hits say, Boston? Bye bye Boston, and everyone in it. Of course I can't be sure of this exactly, since fortunately, we don't have any clear data to go by. But if Tunguska is anything to go by, these things deal enormous damage.
If its the size of Manhattan, good god. There goes life on Earth as we know it. I shudder to think at just how much damage that would cause.
Don't be mistaken here that I'm raining on your day, or that I'm trying to make you believe that we live in a time of impending doom!
The facts are we've always lived in this kind of dangers environment. But now we are all connected. And now, for some reason, there seems to be a helluva lot more meteors.
We may have some problems with incoming debris next year, but I don't think it's going to be devastating. I do think we will have some comet hits though... what the result would be in anybodies guess.
Did you guys know that Mars, long ago, was supposed to have had a "near miss" of a comet it glanced off the atmostphere, but did not hit the planet, even though it was a near miss, the atmostphere was supposed to have been totally wrecked, and in turn you have a planet now with mostly no life or vegetation.... it does make you wonder.
I'm not into doomsday stuff at all, so I think we'll pull through. There have been reports that the comet Elenin (sp?) that's going to pass by in Oct, is not just a comet, at first I thought these were somewhat farfetched theories. But I keep running into other information that also regards this comet as something special and NOT what we think it is. So we got some interesting stuff coming up with Fall!
On another note, I do think what's going on will be tied-in with our raising of conscousness that's taking place right now, energy-wise that is. Even comets can effect us that way... so we might be in for some "inner" changes because of them. To me, I think that will be the BIG news with the coments... but of course there's no way to prove this.
PH _________________ "We have two choices in life. We can choose to see the best situation in our lives, or bemoan why things are not working." ~ Cynthia Stafford
I still stand by the reasoning that the only reason there's "more" of these is because more people are looking with better eyes. We now have more population than ever before (7 billion as of the end of next month), an older (and therefore more experienced and educated population) in the first world than ever before, and more advanced capabilities to detect and collate these datums than ever before.
Even 10 years ago, there might've been the EXACT same number of sonic boom phenomena and meteors streaking the skies, but MANY less were reported because we lacked the globalizing technology we have now.
I'd also ask you to cite some evidence that NASA is law bound to keep the public in the dark about potential global catastrophes.
Re: Tunguska, it was an air-burst of an object a few dozen meters across so I'm not sure that that could be directly comparable to a ground strike. In moden weapons, air bursts are used to inflict MORE surrounding damage than ground strike weapons, so it's possible if the Tunguska meteor struck ground, it would've done less damage. All speculative however.
What intrigues me most about Tunguska is the process by which it detonated in mid air.
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But now we are all connected. And now, for some reason, there seems to be a helluva lot more meteors.
And the former is likely EXACTLY the reason for the latter dude. _________________
Rayzorblades - nice to have you back and your common sense and scientific views are always grounding and appreciated. I don't know about 2012 but what I do know for sure is that the fear being generated is seriously freaking our kids/teenagers out...believe me.....kids not wanting to bother with much because "we are all going to die next year anyway" is real and widespread.
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We are all free to believe what we choose, but with that same freedom of belief I would hope that people would choose beliefs that serve them rather than having them live in fear of an imminent doomsday.
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