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Alastan
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Watch this.
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight.html
Do I smell opportunity? A shortcut so to speak? A way to cut through a few years of painful practice and ancient misconceptions and jumpstart into a feeling of 'the present', so to speak?
Rhetorical question. I very much do, and I'm posting it here so I can get some feedback on what you, as Xtrememind members think. I encourage all to post, as this is a topic that interests all of us, I am certain.
PS. I'm deliberatly keeping this vague so that you watch the video. You'll understand what I mean once you watch it. If you need further explanation, worry not, I will provide upon request. |
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Mr. GreenTea
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How to do it, sans stroke?
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Rayzorblades
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She seems like a person suffering survivor bliss and NDE. Both neurochemical events and as a scientist, I'm a little shocked at her behavior, though as a human I don't blame her.
As to how to accomplish it, GT if you remember a while back I was talking to you about how during sleep the circuitry of your brain turns on and off in different areas and how I surmised that this could be controlled to induce temporary savantlike capabilities.
This principle could also be used to allow for this "nirvana" mindset. Controlling your brain circuitry, the same way we do during sleep, and turning off the non "nirvana" circuits at will.
It could also be done with transcranial magnetic stimulation and scientists in Ontario do something similar with their "God Helmet".
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| Rayzorblades wrote: | | She seems like a person suffering survivor bliss and NDE. Both neurochemical events and as a scientist, I'm a little shocked at her behavior, though as a human I don't blame her. |
Why are you shocked? What I got from it was was an attempt to document what was happening at the time that it happened (or the best of her recollection). I appreciate her doing so in terms I understood, although the human brain show & tell I frankly could have done without.
| Rayzorblades wrote: | | As to how to accomplish it, GT if you remember a while back I was talking to you about how during sleep the circuitry of your brain turns on and off in different areas and how I surmised that this could be controlled to induce temporary savantlike capabilities. |
Yes, I remember. The problem was one of sufficient conscious control while sleeping.
| Rayzorblades wrote: | This principle could also be used to allow for this "nirvana" mindset. Controlling your brain circuitry, the same way we do during sleep, and turning off the non "nirvana" circuits at will.
It could also be done with transcranial magnetic stimulation |
I remember posting about this as well.
| Rayzorblades wrote: | | and scientists in Ontario do something similar with their "God Helmet". |
I had bought a NeuroStim unit (I'll have to search my posts to find out the name of the thing and edit it in later), but the bottom line was that it did not give me the experience I was looking for. Many people bought it to experience the feeling of GOD right next to them, but that lost its appeal upon finding out that it was merely awareness of the other side of the brain through artificial disconnect of the brain bridge.
Ultimately I thought she was going to tie her experience to what her brother experienced on a daily basis, in other words what his experience of living was like.
The piece itself is interesting, and rather disturbing bringing to the fore the relative fragility of this life-support system self-identified as "my body"
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Alastan
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Twas a pleasure, I'm gone.
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Given her behavior, and he recount of events it would not seem that she was experiencing survivor bliss. She seemed very rational about it. Very calm.
The big thing here, for me, is her experiences DURING her uh, hemorrhage.
The huge thing to me is the possible applications of the results(though I would avoid the bleeding, of course). Such as...
Good feelingness. Better than any drug, peacefulness. Now I personally don't do any recreational drugs, but this would be fascinating to replicate and observe, maybe even experience. This all-is-oneness feeling would be fascinating. Course, we all know someone real clever would call it Nirvana. Talk about the best anti-depressant ever. Suddenly, everything becomes 'alright' with persistent and positive after effects(minus internal bleeding).
Personally, this application is low on my list, but totally intriguing.
The second, specifically relates to her shutting off of sections of her brain that control serial processing. The 'being' was not caused so to speak, but rather always there and revealed by the lack of coherent activity in her left brain.
I don't need to say that a lot of us in the realm of spiritual development are after an eminent 'being' state with the benefits, but not the disadvantages, of rational thought.
This 'Nirvana' seems like a fantastic way to accomplish that. Though I'm not sure how... I think its likely that as her left brain wound down, her right brain started becoming more active. Thus, we might be able to replicate the effects by stimulating our own right brain to attain a 'beingness'. No means enlightenment in any regard, but a step in the right direction, a shortcut I mentioned above.
Thirdly, and this is a big one for pretty much all the regulars on this forum. I say pretty much, because I don't want to be too bold. 
Her experiencing this event resulting pretty obviously in a state of 'being', 'realizing', in the 'presentness', so to speak. As radionic practitioner, or any metaphysics, the logical, serial processing mind getting in the way has always been an issue.
If we could somehow utilize this effect at will, with preparation, THINK of the possibilities. How would our practices change? I'm thinking they would be VASTLY more successful, with the so called 'psychic censor' completely out of the way, if only for a limited time.
Talk about game-breaking in regards to success! Whats cited to be the biggest obstacle in countless metaphysic practices(and non-metaphysics, say bye to overthinking) is obliterated!
Needless to say, I was very, very happy when I watched this. Fascinating, with many practical applications that I can make use of, and not limit to theory but make real for benefits in my life.
This is more than an interesting video. Its a cheat-code to metaphysics!
Although that of course, depends on how, if, and when we apply this practice for optimum benefit.
And so is my reason for presenting this to you all. Not for the feeling of the state, but for the practical applications of it.
PS. I had no idea about the god helmet or the savant-like sleep abilities.
Wow, I'm a lucky guy. I'm not sure how to apply the God Helmet, but I can already smell possibilities in the Savant one. I'm considering opening a new topic for discuss on that note, and possible application to that. If only I could make a God Helmet.... |
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| Alastan wrote: | | If only I could make a God Helmet.... |
The 8 Coil Shakti -
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No need to dream of making one. You can buy direct. As I alluded to above, I actually bought one of these units several years ago in the hopes of unlocking psi abilities, but it never happened. Tech Support said I wasn't using it correctly (since I posted negative commentary about my experiences with the device), but then, what else could they say? In any event, you want it for a different purpose altogether, so I expect it will work for that purpose, as that is what it was designed for. My purchase was several years ago, so the company has probably worked out all the bugs by now.
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| GT wrote: | | Why are you shocked? |
Because we're trained to detach ourselves from our observations. No personal stakes since it tends to screw you over either by making you screw up or making other people think you did.
| Quote: | | What I got from it was was an attempt to document what was happening at the time that it happened (or the best of her recollection) |
Best of her recollection being the key point here. Someone with a major stroke and associated brain damage is bound to have very muddled memories. Combine that with the EXTREME malleability of memory anyway, and that there was likely bleedover from what she knew SHOULD happen being a neuroanatomist and her story becomes a little less believable as a memory.
To me it sounds like a story she's told many times that's an amalgamation of some memory mixed with what she thinks would happen in the situation when different neural circuitry shuts down. Not saying that she's lying, but she sounds like she's reciting a learned story.
| Quote: | | I appreciate her doing so in terms I understood, although the human brain show & tell I frankly could have done without. |
Likely done for shock value, but still cool haha.
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The problem was one of sufficient conscious control while sleeping. |
My original idea wasn't to be asleep while doing it, just that it was a proof of concept.
| Quote: | | The piece itself is interesting, and rather disturbing bringing to the fore the relative fragility of this life-support system self-identified as "my body" |
Overall I liked it as well, even if I don't believe her experiences are actual memories, she does give some support to theories I've had for years.
| Alastan wrote: | | Given her behavior, and he recount of events it would not seem that she was experiencing survivor bliss. She seemed very rational about it. Very calm. |
Gonna have to disagree with you mate. Talking exuberantly about her survival and then bursting into tears at the end is almost the perfect example of survivor bliss. She's happy to be alive, can't blame her, but I call a spade a spade.
| Quote: | Good feelingness. Better than any drug, peacefulness. Now I personally don't do any recreational drugs, but this would be fascinating to replicate and observe, maybe even experience. This all-is-oneness feeling would be fascinating. Course, we all know someone real clever would call it Nirvana. Talk about the best anti-depressant ever. Suddenly, everything becomes 'alright' with persistent and positive after effects(minus internal bleeding).
Personally, this application is low on my list, but totally intriguing. |
They already do this with antidepression implants electrically stimulating the brain. Although her experiences of good feelings could also be endorphins compensating the agony of having a stroke.
| Quote: | The second, specifically relates to her shutting off of sections of her brain that control serial processing. The 'being' was not caused so to speak, but rather always there and revealed by the lack of coherent activity in her left brain.
I don't need to say that a lot of us in the realm of spiritual development are after an eminent 'being' state with the benefits, but not the disadvantages, of rational thought.
This 'Nirvana' seems like a fantastic way to accomplish that. Though I'm not sure how... I think its likely that as her left brain wound down, her right brain started becoming more active. Thus, we might be able to replicate the effects by stimulating our own right brain to attain a 'beingness'. No means enlightenment in any regard, but a step in the right direction, a shortcut I mentioned above. |
It's interesting because many people talk about meditation as a "quieting of the mind". This is actually stuff I've been talking about for years. Great minds eh?
| Quote: | | Her experiencing this event resulting pretty obviously in a state of 'being', 'realizing', in the 'presentness', so to speak. As radionic practitioner, or any metaphysics, the logical, serial processing mind getting in the way has always been an issue. |
It's funny because I don't see it that way at all. To me, metaphysics is a system that my conscious awareness enables me to control and use. Maybe knowing the science behind it is what causes me not to have the "censor" you talk about.
Also the savant abilities would take time and experimentation and many of them come from left-brain damage. Until recently this has been restricted by expense, but as GT pointed out, there are ways.
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