Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:41 am Post subject: energy or placebo effect?
i have seen this question brought up numerous times on this forum already but all follow ups were generally inconclusive, i decided to start a thread on it in hopes of obtaining more straight forward opinions from people so here it is.
when it comes to spells and manifestations, do radionic devices actually provide and generate physical energy into your spellwork and visualizations or do they only make you believe in your magick more, which causes results that could've been obtained just as easily without the expensive machine?
thanks for any future replies, i hope i stated my question clearly enough.
I think you should rephrase your question. Radionics devices also "can" hold orgone. Apparently orgone is the physical energy generator.. the box is simply the interface controller.
I've heard a few different things myself. My last question that was answered by GT answered my question that yes Orgone does have energy... as it would make sense that all it is is crystals with different earthy components... so it acts as a sort of filter and transmuter of energy. But energy has to have some intelligence or programming. This makes sense as I have listened to how some of these people who make orgone do their own special programming. This is not much different than anyone making their own ritual tools in the magick traditions.
I would like more people to say something specifically on what they think about Orgone as far as being real. I know it has crystals... but if power is trapped in everything, then everything has a limited energy supply. The only logical way I could see this is that these crystals and orgone peices act as vessels for "source" or "nature" energy to pass through them and of course be modified according to their components, just like it is different when each of us channels energy.
Orgonite definitely has an energy output or signature to it. It takes neg energy in (DOR) and puts out positive energy (POR), to keep it real simple. You can take an orgonite piece and program it with your intention and energy to do whatever you want. Send healing, clear a space, you can think of many different things to do with these. I believe many of the AC or DC powered radionic machines that use an orgonite matrix just take your intention and ramp it up even more. Some good info here as well:
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:39 am Post subject: Re: energy or placebo effect?
when it comes to spells and manifestations, do radionic devices actually provide and generate physical energy into your spellwork and visualizations
1. Physical energy? No. This would mean that it was measurable by physical means. There is quite a number of indications that lead to the conclusion that there ist orgone energy. But until now, neighther the university of applied sciences in Berlin (who tried in 1997) nor anyone else have ever succeeded in actually measuring orgone by physical means under strict scientific surroundings. The problem with ReichŽs experiments is that they only work under specific surroundings, which are not acknowledged by modern science because modern science demands that results must be reproducible under any circumstances. Yet, including myself, for most people dealing with orgone energy, orgone is existent without a doubt. What Karl did, is extend the Reichian research to the invention of an orgone generator.
2. But there is no necessity for physical energy in metaphysical disciplines like spellwork and visualisations, anyways.
... could've been obtained just as easily without the expensive machine?
Be aware of the fact, that magii have achieved successes in manifestation without using a powered radbox for centuries. These people were trained in these skills from an early age on. So they had the experience and the routine plus they worked as professionals mostly. This means they had lots of time to practice energy work, collect magical items, prepare a ritual, enhance it from time to time etc.
These days everything has evolved to a point where automation has made possible a progress , which 150 years ago, nobody would have thought to be possible.
Since Karl Welz this includes manifestation. No exercising oneself in energy work, we have orgonegenerators. No visualisation for hours, we leave it straight to our subconscious by setting rates.
So the answer is YES, you possibly could archieve your desires without an "expensive" machine, BUT youŽd have the cost of learning, training, excercising and so on. Which means youŽd be oldschool walking instead of using a car to get you where you want to be.
Btw do you have one of those (expensive) cars?
or do they only make you believe in your magick more, which causes results ...?
Ask yourself: Does it make a difference as long as it causes results? _________________ Psico
- Radionics consultant and personal student of K. H. Welz.
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