Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: Energy and Demons
I have been practicing N.E.W. For the past year, I usually do the circulations in the morning. Moving energy through the main and secondary meridian channels of the body, including the Energy Gates. The effects are quite profound as the secondary centers open.
The effect itself is based on tactile imaging as Bruce claims, and is a neurological fact, based on the stimulation of the corresponding tactile centers in the cortex and their stimulating connections to the corresponding body areas. What is interesting is the effect of tactile imaging when applied to the bone marrow. I'm sure youíre all aware of Marrow/Brain Washing Chi Kung where you condense and compact Qi into the bone marrow.
Apparently, the marrow contribution is important, which is hardly surprising given the iron (presence of magnetic field) content, and the fact it generates white blood cells as well.
Iíve had experiences and I know others have to, and I quote someone else's experience here: "where I was dreaming about going to bed, and I felt a body next to me, not knowing that I was dreaming, my awareness explained it by thinking there was someone I knew who was sharing the bed with me, but as I became more lucid I realized where I was, then, I felt sharp claws against my back, and that's when I knew I was awake, this entity talked to me, then went on my back and started applying pressure, I actually felt myself physically sink into the mattress, then his hands cupped my head and it started smothering my head into the pillow. The key was not to panic, project fear or become food(fear).
When I started doing intense kundalini meditation and chakra opening last year, for an intense period of a month. I had nightmares the whole month, often dreaming of animals biting me and waking up with bruises, where I could not have hit myself. I would hear voices grumbling threats in my ears before I went to sleep and have dreams of guru demons trying to stop my meditations.
I also have dreams of people, who I later discover harbor severe ill will against me (through no fault of mine) this has proved useful. Bruce's method of going back to the most recent dream and lifting the image to see what lurks underneath helped with recent similar experiences. The psychic attack effect by whatever direction (human, "neg", loose though-form fragments, demon) would reoccur at various times, usually when my energy body would reach a new stage of opening, bucking the common consensus. I find that the stronger I become the more I need to refine defensive psychic structures, lately they have proven to be impenetrable and detrimental to attackers. Demi-Gods, archetypes and other higher energies, in my opinion require a different approach.
These influences as long as you march with the crowd usually either leave you alone or feed on you like leeches that you can't feel. When you buck the trend, however, they often make a presence.
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There are a few ways to defend. I find it is best done by neutralizing the forces that are promoting the hateful thoughtform. This neutralization is done by finding the source of the thoughtform and dissipating it, notice that this is different than neutralizing the thoughtform itself and there's an obvious reason for that. Part one of achievement is through a symbolic, visualization/tactile intent process and numerology. By the use of symbols, you turn the energies that are moving against you back against themselves, transform them or amplify them. Although the forms and symbols are merely a psychological device to enable the mind to get a grip on the intangible and are a representation of energies. There's also part two which is more difficult to explain.
Other things I do are closing the aura to prevent intrusions, pranic self defense, shielding techniques and WotanJitsu.
We all have our demons, and I think that they manifest uniquely to the individual, although I am no expert on this.
Often times, when going through the same kind of scenario you are going through Wotan, it can be difficult if not overwhelming to deal with such issues, laugher is a good medicine to prevent you from going insane. Love is another. .
Call down Archangels to fight these evil entities, you can do this at anytime.
Very Ven. Khenpo Karthar, abbott of Karma Triyana Dharmachakra, Woodstock, NY:
" There is not any event that under all circumstances is an obstacle. During your life, sometimes a test situation may arise because of your meditation.
If you lack understanding and meditative insight, this test could become an obstacle. However if you have enough insight and understanding, the test could heighten your realization to a great extent. As an outcome of meditative experience, whatever appearances may arise can be transformed through meditative insight into a realization of the nature of all things as insubstantial, uncompounded, and only existing interdependently.
Then we do not reject the appearances of existing things, but nevertheless none of these things hold the truth of independence or the truth of substantiality. They are just another play of illusion.
If a person understands and relates in this way, whatever drama appears in meditation could be tremendously uplifting. On the other hand, when you are meditating you may get drawn into whatever arises out of your habitual and emotional conditioning. The appearance may just be your psychological patterns, but for you it is a spirit, it is demonic, and it is real. You will probably be afraid and try to defend yourself. That is not the strategy we adopt in the path of meditation, though.
For instance, when Milarepa was in a particular cave and the so called demons appeared, roaring and thundering toward him, Milarepa said, "Your appearance is most wondrous, and your message is the message of my teacher." He worked with it in that way. The demon of your confusion does not cling to you; you cling to it.
From that point of view, such an event becomes a kind of special treat and a technique that brings more enrichment than the ordinary process. What is really important is how a person is able to work with what happens, so strictly speaking, these neither are obstacles or are not obstacles."
Take a demon as a demon and it will harm you.
Know a demon is in your mind and you'll be free of it.
Assuming those demons are in fact something with a true existance on their own, entities independant by your mind (meaning not projections)..
Have you tried with a grid of orgone devices?
A simpler solution might be eating some garlic: the scent should repel evil entities (Rober Bruce as well suggests the method.. very basic but effective by what I've read).
If they are not separate entities (if this distinction does have any sense, I'm using my own map here to describe a territory I don't know so well), then relax as many sages through the ages say that when one starts the path of spiritual enlightment and meditation, sooner or later he will have to face his own inner demons. _________________ "Do just once what others say you can't do, and you will never pay attention to their limitations again." Arthur C. Clarke
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Hey, Wotan, I hope you're okay??? It's been a while since you posted. Take care.
Some people have gone insane trying to fight demons that exists only in their minds. They hear voices, see fearful beings, have nightmares, extreme paranoia etc, which leads eventually to zero sleep. Their consciousness gets very fragmented and are unable to maintain normal rationale or healthy energy systems. It spiral downwards, this is to be avoided at all costs.
While any standard recomended practice could produce progress, each practitioner's response to this practice will be different, as every students aptitude and state of mind varies. It is at this stage when difficulties arises, the value of a Guru with skillful means is greatly appreciated.
Observe a strict code of healthy functions of body, speech and mind (thoughts & emotions).
... Milarepa gave a very basic teaching and sent Sonam Rinchen off to meditate on it for seven days. After seven days of practicing, he gained such vital energy that he no longer needed ordinary clothing to remain warm but just a very thin layer of cotton cloth. He was also able to become absorbed in a very profound meditation, needing only to take one special breath a day. When he went back to Milarepa and reported his great progress, Milarepa did not praise him nor find fault with him, but just told him to keep on meditating.
He returned to his meditation. This time he experienced great darkness, so obscure that he was unable to see anything. At the same time he heard cries, but because everything was so dark he could not tell what was happening. Once again he went to Milarepa and told him about this experience. Again Milarepa said that this signified neither blessing nor curse, and that he should keep on meditating. "In fact," he said, "when you are meditating there are changes in your nerve impulses and channel systems. So when you are sitting and feeling some changes in your usual perception, you are in the meditative experience."
Following the advice of Milarepa, Gampopa went and kept on practicing, and in his next experience he became very uncomfortable. He experienced dizziness and felt nauseous, and he thought that he must be sick. So he went to Milarepa and told him that he must be sick because he felt dizzy and nauseous. Milarepa said that he must keep on meditating, just as he had explained before, no matter what he experienced. But Milarepa added that this time the cause of the problem could possibly be that Gampopa had tied his meditation rope too tightly, and so he should loosen it.
Then, Milarepa taught him some more ways of mastering the various energies and their channels in the 'subtle body'. These are known as yogas. He taught him the various skilful methods of inner heat, known as tummo in Tibetan or candali in Sanskrit. Then he sent Gampopa back to meditation.
Note : tummo, candali is known as kundalini in Hindu context
Yes I'm fine, thanks for asking i2. By the way I'm not going insane, these experiences come and go and are only as frightening as you allow them to be. Itís just a level you have to pass through.. Everyones perspective has been very useful thankyou. I'm leaning towards what Melch said. However determining whether a psychological or physical sympton is being caused by demonic influence or by natural causes is tricky. I haven't tried eating raw garlic Jedi. How many cloves?
Melch I like your reasoning and these entities do generate signals that interfere with energy process.
I would say that those demon's are what that meditation opens you up to. That by doing it, your opening a inter-dimensional, time portal into that demon's energy, that the demon is the root source of that energy your seeking, and the more you do it, the closer you unveil what's behind that meditation exercise, also the more
energy/power you'll obtain.
How did you come to discover this?
Wotan: I would advise the burning of some Benzoin.
Jedi: onion is far superior. _________________ I Change My Dream Into An Ideal,
Someday I'll Show You..
..A Brilliant World.
The Seeker Knows The Way
At The Inner Horizon
Holding To The Path
Until The Goal Is Reached.
As an antioxidant they are almost on the same level.
As a defense against negative entities, Rober Bruce rates garlic way more than onion.. anyway, I have no direct experience with the latter so I can't say. _________________ "Do just once what others say you can't do, and you will never pay attention to their limitations again." Arthur C. Clarke
Hello Seeker have you burned Benzoin before?? I'm surprised you're into all that wiccan crap. From what I could gather benzoin is only created when there is damage to the trunk of the Benzoin tree, and so to harvest benzoin, one must first hack at the trunk with a machete or an axe. Is it safe, I have read on a toxicology report that chemical Benzoin is commonly used in inhalants as an expectorant and antiseptic.
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