" I think it's high time we evolve past the "how do we attract women" phase. It's getting kind of silly and should have been permanently handled long ago."
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:20 am Post subject: Re: First Thoughts
Thank you for your wonderful review Mr.Qwerty. To be sure, and like I mentioned in the report, we are only barely scratching the surface here.
You will find (as I have) that as you progress, you will be led (literally, in ways you can not anticipate right now) to deeper vaults of knowledge as deemed appropriate for your progress. Like the saying goes "when the student is ready, the teacher will arrive." At least in MY life I have found this to be very, very true.
God speaks. God listens.
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Nei Jia interests me, I understand that as you work on the inner levels and planes, you would also see an appreciable effect upon the external levels and planes, as in the Axiom of Correspondence - "As Within, So Without." Now, would it therefore be more beneficial to work on the inner rather than the external? That is, would the internal work be effective enough as to replace the external work?
Technically speaking - in terms of the work involved - yes. BUT, it will not actually replace the external work, simply because as the "Internal" mirrors itself in your external life experiences and situations, the latter would still entail "work" on your part. You will still need to prove your love with sincere words, action, loyalty to your core values (and hers), and so on.
So, the increase in your attraction, magnetism, authenticity, power (etc.) and the improved love-life you enjoy will themselves all become stepping stones along the path ahead of you. They are enjoyable steps to be sure, but steps nonetheless. Remember, none of these are ends, but means to higher ends which themselves also become stepping stones to the beyond, much like the steps that preceded them.
Which is why even if drawing comparisions between "yesterday's performance" with "today's performance" or hoping it will be duplicated "tomorrow" wasn't dangerous to your progress, it would still be pointless. It's akin to replacing the wonders the "yellow brick road" of life will lead to with obsessions over the saffron color of the brick below your feet.
With these said, I marvel at the HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of women a lot of aspiring "PUA"s train themselves at approaching to get into bed. I men how much work and time does that take? If one can be willing to put in THAT sort of effort then why not train internally which leads to better results?
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And btw, Sean Stephenson is a great inspiration to me. When I first heard him speak... it just blew me away, he has a presence and an aura that is simply transcendental. His etheric/energy body must be insanely potent.
Oh yes, he is very strong. Extremely strong Shen (spirit). One of the most advanced I caught glimpses of in the Astral Plains.
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You provide a powerful mudra for utilizing the Yang power, but I'm curious as to if you would also recommend a good mantra for this purpose as well?
The affirmations are your best mantras They originate from YOU. They bare the stamp of your own energy, rather chanting things like "Kleem" or "Shreem" or whatnot. The latter category are really just "crutches". They are powerful insofar as HELPING you move forward, but why rely on them when you can rely on your own "mantras"?
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One very, very interesting statement that you make is to abandon the concept that you are not your body. I notice that there is a distinct trend towards the act of dis-identification with one's body in spiritual practice. Is it that we are body, mind, spirit at the same time, or are we spirit acting on both mind or body, are we our personalities, or is that just the ego? Is the ego simply a parasitic thoughtform?
The ego is there in order to help us communicate with this particular plain of existence. It's our ego that compels us to eat, to drink, to defecate, to have sex, to choose the mate to share our lives with, and so on.
The danger is completely identifying ourselves with our ego, rather than using it as an instrument. So, rather than controlling the instrument, the instrument starts controling us.
GENUINE "Left Hand Path" disciplines like Tantra allow for "engaging" the ego until we grow out of it, much like a child outgrows its toys.
"Right Hand Path" disciplines like Sufic and Gnostic traditions choose the path of ascetism to disengage from ego completely; making its grip on us atrophy through lack of engagement.
If you look at them from the perspective of the Etz Chayim (Tree of Life), you will notice BOTH lead to Keter (Enlightenment), but the best (and fastest) path is the Central Column; a balance between the two. Which is why Christ-Consciousness acknowledges both the light AND the dark.
As just ONE example of this, it is why it's good to have a mixture of "light and love" AND "dark/aggressive ravishing" in your sex life. The first one alone would bore her to tears. The second one alone would amount to rape. You need a bit of both. (Hot food/cold cola ).
I read all the report, listened to the meditations just to test it. The hypnotic tracks are very well made. I really liked. Arman made everything easy to achieve a great level of inner-game. All you need is discipline and faith to have that success. I think this is a good combo with MLF dababe and Kundalini Activator.
Perfect timing! I'm recently back on the market. I don't visit this forum much anymore, and i figured I should drop in. I'm giving this a shot. Most of the attraction threads I avoid for the reasons you have listed.
Thanks for this Arman. I to lost my father at the age of 18. Its kind of strange isn't it? I remember thinking well at least it happened when I was a man and all grown up (hah! only an 18 year old could think that way). Then I realized I didn't have a father for those new moments and later stages in life that all my other friends still had. Not something you realize until it happens.
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Thanks Arman for replying. I found the meditation to be extremely powerful... it felt as if there was electricity coursing through my body. I had these really powerful dreams when I went to sleep afterwards. I kind of like it, would it be okay to do the meditation twice a day to receive greater benefit?
I'm definitely looking forward to learning more in the future as I progress. I was kind of curious whether you thought there was a purpose to life in general, or whether each of us had a purpose of our own? I had been reading a lot of work that seemed to work along the lines of that the purpose in life is experience itself, and that one truly 'wins' when one renounces the ego and achieves enlightenment, transcending samsara. Do you think this is true? I've played around with the concept of Eudaimonism - that the summum bonum was the experience of a 'true' love and happiness... but I'm not so sure that happiness is an end in and of itself.
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Technically speaking - in terms of the work involved - yes. BUT, it will not actually replace the external work, simply because as the "Internal" mirrors itself in your external life experiences and situations, the latter would still entail "work" on your part. You will still need to prove your love with sincere words, action, loyalty to your core values (and hers), and so on.
It makes sense that you would need to do both, even if the focus of the work would be internal.
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So, the increase in your attraction, magnetism, authenticity, power (etc.) and the improved love-life you enjoy will themselves all become stepping stones along the path ahead of you. They are enjoyable steps to be sure, but steps nonetheless. Remember, none of these are ends, but means to higher ends which themselves also become stepping stones to the beyond, much like the steps that preceded them.
Yes, it seems that they will be nice things to have and experience along the path.
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Which is why even if drawing comparisions between "yesterday's performance" with "today's performance" or hoping it will be duplicated "tomorrow" wasn't dangerous to your progress, it would still be pointless. It's akin to replacing the wonders the "yellow brick road" of life will lead to with obsessions over the saffron color of the brick below your feet.
With these said, I marvel at the HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of women a lot of aspiring "PUA"s train themselves at approaching to get into bed. I men how much work and time does that take? If one can be willing to put in THAT sort of effort then why not train internally which leads to better results?
That's a pretty wise observation. I'll keep that in mind, especially since I always compare where I am to the past, to others, and even to imagined realities.
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Oh yes, he is very strong. Extremely strong Shen (spirit). One of the most advanced I caught glimpses of in the Astral Plains.
Wow, I'd definitely expect that. What interesting stories or experiences have you had in the Astral Planes? Have you caught any interesting or surprising glimpses of spirits - that say a certain teacher's Shen was much more powerful than his/her work would entail, or that a certain very famous person had a surprisingly weak Shen?
What would you say would be the best method and path to learning Astral Travel? It's something that has interested me a lot, but I'm afraid that I would just imagine or visualize something instead of genuinely projecting my spirit. How could I know, without a doubt, that I am actually projecting?
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The affirmations are your best mantras They originate from YOU. They bare the stamp of your own energy, rather chanting things like "Kleem" or "Shreem" or whatnot. The latter category are really just "crutches". They are powerful insofar as HELPING you move forward, but why rely on them when you can rely on your own "mantras"?
Got it, that makes a lot of sense that you should use something that has a direct relation to you for your own personal work. Another thing that interested me was that often these mantras would be invocations to calling a god/goddess to help you. Do these gods have forms in and of themselves, or are they simply egrigores or communal thoughtforms?
I was thinking of recording myself saying the affirmations that I chose and putting it on my mp3 player, so I could integrate them on the go.
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The ego is there in order to help us communicate with this particular plain of existence. It's our ego that compels us to eat, to drink, to defecate, to have sex, to choose the mate to share our lives with, and so on.
Thank you... that sentence totally just 'clicked' for me. I never really received many compelling answers to that question. Another interesting answer that I had found in numerous places was that the ego was parasitic in nature (requiring the mind to survive) and that it utilized emotions as it's weapons or means to survive. That statement was a real eye opener for me.
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GENUINE "Left Hand Path" disciplines like Tantra allow for "engaging" the ego until we grow out of it, much like a child outgrows its toys.
I never knew this was possible, it actually sounds kind of interesting, and I could see that once we grew out of it that it would lose its power. Thelema, LHP and Crowley kind of interest me in a weird way - the concept of total freedom, "Do what thou wilt" seems powerful to me... at least perhaps it is a reaction to a very cold and legalistic childhood. What would you recommend in terms of genuine LHPs?
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"Right Hand Path" disciplines like Sufic and Gnostic traditions choose the path of asceticism to disengage from ego completely; making its grip on us atrophy through lack of engagement.
Yeah, I do admire asceticism and the people who have such a strong will to disengage totally from any form of physical or material pleasure... And I believe that there is true wisdom there, but I suppose I'm young and not so wise, and it doesn't appeal to me at much at the moment.
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If you look at them from the perspective of the Etz Chayim (Tree of Life), you will notice BOTH lead to Keter (Enlightenment), but the best (and fastest) path is the Central Column; a balance between the two. Which is why Christ-Consciousness acknowledges both the light AND the dark.
Yes, the three Paths from Malkuth (Kingdom) to Keter (Enlightenment). I'd be curious on how you walk this middle path, and balance both the light and the dark yourself. Could you perhaps illustrate how you keep balance in your own lifestyle?
Also, you seem to know a fair amount about the Kabbalah, Hermeticism as well as Judaic mysticism. Where would be a good place to start in terms of Kabbalic study, and have you utilized it in any interesting ways? I've heard of the use of Kabbalah for magickal practice as well as psychological and spiritual development, do you use it as a practice or more as a model? Do you think the Golden Dawn, Regardie, and Waite are authentic? I do admit that my knowledge is extremely limited in this regard, my knowledge of the Kabbalah is basically only through Regardie's books. =P
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As just ONE example of this, it is why it's good to have a mixture of "light and love" AND "dark/aggressive ravishing" in your sex life. The first one alone would bore her to tears. The second one alone would amount to rape. You need a bit of both. (Hot food/cold cola ).
Yes, this makes sense... and would make good use of polarity.
Thank you Arman. Your report is invaluable, and I really appreciate your insight into these things. Just from a single day's meditation, fun things have been starting to occur, I'm just excited to what I might see in the future.
Thanks Arman for replying. I found the meditation to be extremely powerful... it felt as if there was electricity coursing through my body. I had these really powerful dreams when I went to sleep afterwards. I kind of like it, would it be okay to do the meditation twice a day to receive greater benefit?
Personally, I would say "No", but why don't you experiment and see how you go?
I would MUCH prefer that you wake up within an hour before dawn (when the Qi is strongest outside due to more ozone) and do the whole drill ONCE, and then go about the rest of your day, but again, it's up to you. The most important thing is to stick to the program on a daily basis.
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I was kind of curious whether you thought there was a purpose to life in general, or whether each of us had a purpose of our own?
Some will think this is human-centric and "racist" (in the sense that we humans are self-aggrandizing as a RACE as opposed to animals to believe so), but I do genuinely believe we all have a purpose, and not because this idea makes us feel better about ourselves.
That we are far more empathetic, cognitive and creative compared to others is proof enough of this to me at least.
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I had been reading a lot of work that seemed to work along the lines of that the purpose in life is experience itself, and that one truly 'wins' when one renounces the ego and achieves enlightenment, transcending samsara. Do you think this is true?
I am not sure, I mean I haven't reached there myself yet. But what makes sense to ME is that the purpose in life is to expand, to acquire and take role in as much of the Universal creativity and experiences as possible.
The individual who had a direct role in engineering us as a species is said to be so evolved and spiritually (and PHYSICALLY) advanced over so many life-times in another Universe that he volunteered to take part in THIS particular one and help oversee its evolution.
Perhaps this is the ultimate purpose in life - to reach and evolutionary "epoch" and achieve "Ultimate Functionality" as an individual, to the point where one can take part in protecting The Balance as The Divine Mind continues to create new universes and "experiences".
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Wow, I'd definitely expect that. What interesting stories or experiences have you had in the Astral Planes? Have you caught any interesting or surprising glimpses of spirits - that say a certain teacher's Shen was much more powerful than his/her work would entail, or that a certain very famous person had a surprisingly weak Shen?
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What would you say would be the best method and path to learning Astral Travel? It's something that has interested me a lot, but I'm afraid that I would just imagine or visualize something instead of genuinely projecting my spirit. How could I know, without a doubt, that I am actually projecting?
You will know when you achieve it. It is pretty much "lucid dreaming" done in an awake state. And you need fuel (Qi) to achieve it. The more "juice" you have, the more successfully you are able to "will" yourself out.
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Do these gods have forms in and of themselves, or are they simply egrigores or communal thoughtforms?
Hahaha, what's the difference?
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What would you recommend in terms of genuine LHPs?
"genuine" LHP? What standard did you have in mind by which to decide if something was genuine or not?
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Yes, the three Paths from Malkuth (Kingdom) to Keter (Enlightenment). I'd be curious on how you walk this middle path, and balance both the light and the dark yourself. Could you perhaps illustrate how you keep balance in your own lifestyle?
Sure, it's really quite simple:
Keep a mixture of Yin foods (vegetables) and Yang foods (spices, red-colored fruits, sunlight, etc.) in your diet.
Stay loving and friendly to people in general (Right Hand Path) but be stern and "dark"-tempered with those who commit injustices and cross lines they shouldn't cross (Left-Hand Path).
Lean to intuit when a woman wants to be made sweet love to (Right Hand Path) and when she wants you to pin her against the wall and f*** her brains out (Left-Hand Path).
And so it goes. The only difference is the level of depth in which you wish to live and experience "The Balance" in your life
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Also, you seem to know a fair amount about the Kabbalah, Hermeticism as well as Judaic mysticism. Where would be a good place to start in terms of Kabbalic study, and have you utilized it in any interesting ways?
Oh yes, the Qabala (starts with a "Qof" not a "Kaf") is powerful. As a model you can't go wrong with it, though you will instantly recognise some correspondences. For instance, Malakut (physical plane), Yetzirah/Barzakh (The Astral Planes), etc.
A good place to start with be with "God is a Verb" by Rabbi David A. Cooper, for sure.
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Do you think the Golden Dawn, Regardie, and Waite are authentic? I do admit that my knowledge is extremely limited in this regard, my knowledge of the Kabbalah is basically only through Regardie's books. =P
To be perfectly blunt, I honestly think much of what is taught in "Theosophy" is bullshit. I am honestly leery of it; a lot of it seems self-aggrandizement and hijacking of genuine doctrines, and from what I have observed it's from these roots that some very deranged individuals and movements (like Nazi Germany) sprang up.
Predictably they take up a lot of themes from the Far East or even the Middle East to charge up their spiritually impotent traditions (ala the Swastika). It seems to me this is the general order of "progress" along these disciplines: Fill your head with facts that you haven't taken time to verify on your own, and then do some arbitrary "connecting the dots" and call it "Choas Magick" and fill a book with it.
There is a Chinese saying: "Truth can be whispered through bamboo in moments", I have seen (and directly experienced) enough in my life to stay solid in my distance from Theosophy in general, and that is where I am staying.
My humble advice to you (and you may feel free to take it on board or leave it as you see fit) is to treat it all in the same way you should treat much of what's taught in "self help" in general: STAY PUT on one teaching and one method until you master what you are supposed to master before moving on. Your Higher Self will gauge your readiness in due time and bring you to the right people and the right circumstances depending on your level of readiness.
Don't jump from one book or spiritual practice to another.
This is called "spiritual promiscuity". At best you'd be filling your head with useless facts while emptying your wallet, and at worst you might potentially really harm yourself (i.e. share the fate of A. Crowley), and I realize you might already be wary of this "Progress Best Practice" but I feel so passionately about this topic that I felt the need to write about it haha
Personally, I would say "No", but why don't you experiment and see how you go?
I would MUCH prefer that you wake up within an hour before dawn (when the Qi is strongest outside due to more ozone) and do the whole drill ONCE, and then go about the rest of your day, but again, it's up to you. The most important thing is to stick to the program on a daily basis.
OWN it. Make it yours
I think I'll actually try doing it within an hour before dawn, I've been looking for a good excuse to start waking up early. I didn't get much sleep last night, so I'll use it to reset my biological clock. I was thinking of maybe waking up, doing the meditation, Greenwood's body method, and perhaps going for a jog?
For me, as long as I do it every day, I'll be okay.
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Some will think this is human-centric and "racist" (in the sense that we humans are self-aggrandizing as a RACE as opposed to animals to believe so), but I do genuinely believe we all have a purpose, and not because this idea makes us feel better about ourselves.
That we are far more empathetic, cognitive and creative compared to others is proof enough of this to me at least.
Yes, that's a very interesting point.
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I am not sure, I mean I haven't reached there myself yet. But what makes sense to ME is that the purpose in life is to expand, to acquire and take role in as much of the Universal creativity and experiences as possible.
The individual who had a direct role in engineering us as a species is said to be so evolved and spiritually (and PHYSICALLY) advanced over so many life-times in another Universe that he volunteered to take part in THIS particular one and help oversee its evolution.
Perhaps this is the ultimate purpose in life - to reach and evolutionary "epoch" and achieve "Ultimate Functionality" as an individual, to the point where one can take part in protecting The Balance as The Divine Mind continues to create new universes and "experiences".
It'd make sense that said individual would also be very physically advanced, over a period of so many lifetimes, this individual would have complete control over his/her own physiology. I'd be curious whether you think it is a cycle - if eventually we will do the same thing to another universe. I like your conceptualization of the Divine Mind creating new universes and "experiences" and that we, in a way, play a part through our participation and agency within these experiences and through our own creative forces within our own selves. I consider my biggest goal to be my own expansion and evolution.
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You will know when you achieve it. It is pretty much "lucid dreaming" done in an awake state. And you need fuel (Qi) to achieve it. The more "juice" you have, the more successfully you are able to "will" yourself out.
I understand, it would be better to work on the prerequisites before doing something as intricate as this.
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Hahaha, what's the difference?
Sorry I didn't quite communicate correctly. What I meant was, are these 'gods', 'demons', 'spirits' from another universe, from another plane, part of this universe predating us, or whether we created them through our communal psychic and mental energies.
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"genuine" LHP? What standard did you have in mind by which to decide if something was genuine or not?
You mentioned that Tantra was a genuine "Left Hand Path" discipline, one that would allow one to work with the ego until one grows out of it.
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Sure, it's really quite simple:
Keep a mixture of Yin foods (vegetables) and Yang foods (spices, red-colored fruits, sunlight, etc.) in your diet.
Stay loving and friendly to people in general (Right Hand Path) but be stern and "dark"-tempered with those who commit injustices and cross lines they shouldn't cross (Left-Hand Path).
Lean to intuit when a woman wants to be made sweet love to (Right Hand Path) and when she wants you to pin her against the wall and f*** her brains out (Left-Hand Path).
And so it goes. The only difference is the level of depth in which you wish to live and experience "The Balance" in your life
Very solid examples Arman. Thank you.
You mention eating a lot of fruits and vegetables. Do you recommend vegetarianism? I've been vegetarian since the start of this summer as a bit of an experiment. It's been nice so far in terms of health, but part of me dislikes the restriction.
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Oh yes, the Qabala (starts with a "Qof" not a "Kaf") is powerful. As a model you can't go wrong with it, though you will instantly recognise some correspondences. For instance, Malakut (physical plane), Yetzirah/Barzakh (The Astral Planes), etc.
A good place to start with be with "God is a Verb" by Rabbi David A. Cooper, for sure.
Qabala, not Kabala, got it. It's just the way that a lot of people tended to spell it. Yes, I indeed like the model from the tastes that I've gotten from it.
It looks like a great book, I ordered myself a copy online, thanks for the recommendation!
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To be perfectly blunt, I honestly think much of what is taught in "Theosophy" is bullshit. I am honestly leery of it; a lot of it seems self-aggrandizement and hijacking of genuine doctrines, and from what I have observed it's from these roots that some very deranged individuals and movements (like Nazi Germany) sprang up.
I had my suspicions, which is why I asked you. I'm a little bit attracted to systems that promise to explain everything and anything. I met a Theosophist, and I started reading on Theosophy and New Thought... to me it seemed very alluring what their teachings promised. It kind of bothered me as well that the Thule Society, and a whole legion of very strange occultists came out of these roots.
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Predictably they take up a lot of themes from the Far East or even the Middle East to charge up their spiritually impotent traditions (ala the Swastika). It seems to me this is the general order of "progress" along these disciplines: Fill your head with facts that you haven't taken time to verify on your own, and then do some arbitrary "connecting the dots" and call it "Choas Magick" and fill a book with it.
Hahaha... unfortunately, it seems that's the status of the mainstream 'occult' and neopaganism today.
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There is a Chinese saying: "Truth can be whispered through bamboo in moments", I have seen (and directly experienced) enough in my life to stay solid in my distance from Theosophy in general, and that is where I am staying.
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My humble advice to you (and you may feel free to take it on board or leave it as you see fit) is to treat it all in the same way you should treat much of what's taught in "self help" in general: STAY PUT on one teaching and one method until you master what you are supposed to master before moving on. Your Higher Self will gauge your readiness in due time and bring you to the right people and the right circumstances depending on your level of readiness.
Don't jump from one book or spiritual practice to another.
Hmmm... that's very good advice, I have a tendency to jump from one book to another, and as soon as another thing interests me, read on that as well. I understand the value of focus, and I appreciate the recommendation.
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This is called "spiritual promiscuity". At best you'd be filling your head with useless facts while emptying your wallet, and at worst you might potentially really harm yourself (i.e. share the fate of A. Crowley), and I realize you might already be wary of this "Progress Best Practice" but I feel so passionately about this topic that I felt the need to write about it haha
Yes, that's exactly it, I do tend to have a lot of spiritual promiscuity - I read about almost every spiritual practice, and book I can get a hold of. You are quite perceptive Arman.
I don't wish to share the fate of A. Crowley... seriously, the man scares me. O.o
Thanks a lot for helping me out. Your advice is very valuable. I think I'll mainly focus on the meditations for now.
On a related note, today I had some very interesting synchronicities occur to me. There was this beautiful girl who is in my class, and we happened to be riding down the elevator. I looked up, I noticed that she was looking at me, our eyes met, and her entire face flushed. She came up to me and asked me if I happened to be an actor. I asked her why she asked... and she then blurted out that she saw my monologue in a massive statewide acting competition two years ago, and she was incredibly impressed with my ability. She asked me if I could please join her club, and that she was looking for talent like mine. She was so incredibly embarrassed, she spoke so quickly that she almost tripped over the friend I was talking to. I can't believe she remembers me from two years ago. I had never met her before my class, and we had never spoken before. O.o;
I spent the day with a whole lot of people and I came to a Starbucks and asked this pretty lady for a cup of water. She was the only person working, and there was about a line of 20 people waiting on her, and she stopped for five minutes just to talk to me. I felt kind of embarrassed for holding up everyone else so I thanked her and left. These are just a few of the extremely interesting things that have been going on lately.
It's just... incredible. I know I shouldn't compare my experiences... but after what happened, I'm really excited to go out tomorrow after a new round and see what new things pop up! It's just insane, when it happened, I couldn't believe it.
Thank you Arman, for both the meditations and for your advice! I definitely hope to transform myself and my status in the near future!
I think I'll actually try doing it within an hour before dawn, I've been looking for a good excuse to start waking up early. I didn't get much sleep last night, so I'll use it to reset my biological clock. I was thinking of maybe waking up, doing the meditation, Greenwood's body method, and perhaps going for a jog?
For me, as long as I do it every day, I'll be okay.
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What I meant was, are these 'gods', 'demons', 'spirits' from another universe, from another plane, part of this universe predating us, or whether we created them through our communal psychic and mental energies.
The gentleman the Qur'an refers to as Ar-Rab and whom the Torah refers to as "God" and the Qabala as "Zir Anpin" (etc.) is from another Universe. Sort of like the Cosmic "Insaan Kamil"/"Adam Kadmon" (Perfected Man).
So Jesus was speaking literally when he said "Be(come) Perfect, as Your Father in Heaven is Perfect".
On a level below that, a lot of the "gods" of the pantheons are literal figures. Individuals as alive as you and I. Not spooks or ghosts.
It all goes back to a lot of cosmic "politricks" that involved this planet 6000 years ago and it's too long a story to get into but yeah, some are thought-forms human beings have created, and some are not.
Some are both.
So for instance, Maryam (Marie) the mother of Jesus was a literal figure. But then there is a thought-form associated with her that's the creation of Christians and now and again manifests as apparitions, and tapping in to "her" can cause physical phenomena such as "stigmata" and the like.
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You mentioned that Tantra was a genuine "Left Hand Path" discipline, one that would allow one to work with the ego until one grows out of it.
Tantra, yes.
But "Tantra" seems a catch-all phrase for a WHOLE bunch of disciplines. Even within individual disciplines that are defaultly LHP there are RHP "schools of thought" or approaches.
So for example, the Lei Shan Dao is decidedly LHP, while there is a branch of this path that is heavily influenced by RHP principles - namely the Mo-Pai ("John Chang's" school) which was founded by the sage Mozi, who was decidedly Right-Hand Path in his orientation and advocated self-less service.
So, any path is good as long as you stick with your own values and do not compromise them for anything or anyone - even a guru - even if the promise is "more power". Follow Bruce Lee's approach: "Accept the good, reject the bad" and realize God is in ultimate control, not "you" (i.e your ego).
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You mention eating a lot of fruits and vegetables. Do you recommend vegetarianism? I've been vegetarian since the start of this summer as a bit of an experiment. It's been nice so far in terms of health, but part of me dislikes the restriction.
I recommend balance. Incorporate animal products if you can - just make sure they are organic, like free range organic eggs and milk and whatnot. Just don't do it in excess and keep yourself free from the shitty karma of disease and cruelty ridden meat factories.
On a final note, by "spiritual promiscuity" I do not mean not learning as much as you can. You certainly can grab as many books as you like and read to your heart's content. But as far as I am concerned for something of such a nature to be of any use there has to be a practical dimension to it.
I fail to see, for instance, the practical dimension in David Deida's "Crazy Wisdom" gig.
I suppose a lot of it springs up from deep instrospect and meditation and proximity to the Tao if it can be deemed regit, but then one can't help heed the Dao te' Ching's: "The Tao that can be talked about is NOT the True Tao".
The gentleman the Qur'an refers to as Ar-Rab and whom the Torah refers to as "God" and the Qabala as "Zir Anpin" (etc.) is from another Universe. Sort of like the Cosmic "Insaan Kamil"/"Adam Kadmon" (Perfected Man).
So Jesus was speaking literally when he said "Be(come) Perfect, as Your Father in Heaven is Perfect".
Aha. That makes a great deal of sense to me. Is this being similar in physiology to us - does the concept of "God created man in his own image, in the image of God" (Genesis 1.27) hold truth? (It actually also happens to be present in other traditions, like the Hermetic tradition as well, to my knowledge) I understand that in general, the formulation must be the same - material body, etheric bodies, mind, and spirit... but did this individual model us to be like itself in terms of physiology, etc? And how do you think Jesus was, as the Church fathers said, directly connected with this individual in a way that the rest of us are not? Or do you think he was a normal guy, like Buddha or Balinas, who came across the divine consciousness?
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On a level below that, a lot of the "gods" of the pantheons are literal figures. Individuals as alive as you and I. Not spooks or ghosts.
It all goes back to a lot of cosmic "politricks" that involved this planet 6000 years ago and it's too long a story to get into but yeah, some are thought-forms human beings have created, and some are not.
Many highly respected historians would agree with you strongly on that matter, so I'm definitely sure that is the case with many of those gods. Prof. Bob Brier, who I highly respect for his Egyptology, definitely has a lot of evidence for that.
I'm curious about a few interesting individuals, like Thoth of the Egyptian Pantheon, the Anunnaki of the Babylonians, the Levantine deities (who seemed to have made a huge impact on the respective mythologies of the Abrahamic and Gnostic traditions) or a few of the Hindu gods/goddesses. I'd be interested in who you thought were genuine astral or other dimensional beings and not just humans who had very good PR.
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Some are both.
So for instance, Maryam (Marie) the mother of Jesus was a literal figure. But then there is a thought-form associated with her that's the creation of Christians and now and again manifests as apparitions, and tapping in to "her" can cause physical phenomena such as "stigmata" and the like.
Ah, that makes sense... a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, then, if they consider her to be a otherworldly spirit, they would eventually create one. It clears up a lot regarding Maryam. I'm sure that's how saints "do miracles" after their death, a thoughtform is created from the real life person.
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Tantra, yes.
But "Tantra" seems a catch-all phrase for a WHOLE bunch of disciplines. Even within individual disciplines that are defaultly LHP there are RHP "schools of thought" or approaches.
So for example, the Lei Shan Dao is decidedly LHP, while there is a branch of this path that is heavily influenced by RHP principles - namely the Mo-Pai ("John Chang's" school) which was founded by the sage Mozi, who was decidedly Right-Hand Path in his orientation and advocated self-less service.
Yeah. There are a whole lot of schools and disciplines that came out of Tantra. Do you have any particular thoughts on the truth behind tantra, and whether it holds some power?
Lei Shan Dao looks pretty interesting, I might want to read on some of that. Mozi is a sage I respect quite a lot indeed. I remember you mentioned Mencius before as well. I'm not entirely sure which school is a good one to follow, I might simply look further into these teachings and find one that appeals to me in particular.
John Chang is amazing, I've seen some of those videos... and left deeply impressed. Do you consider yourself affiliated with a particular school yourself?
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So, any path is good as long as you stick with your own values and do not compromise them for anything or anyone - even a guru - even if the promise is "more power". Follow Bruce Lee's approach: "Accept the good, reject the bad" and realize God is in ultimate control, not "you" (i.e your ego).
I'm not entirely sure I have a set of highly defined values, which is why I've spent a lot of times looking at ethics and morality. I do have one or two values that I stick by strongly and don't violate.
Yes, Bruce Lee's method has actually helped me a great deal as guidance.
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I recommend balance. Incorporate animal products if you can - just make sure they are organic, like free range organic eggs and milk and whatnot. Just don't do it in excess and keep yourself free from the shitty karma of disease and cruelty ridden meat factories.
Yes, I am not vegan, and I do eat free range organic eggs, milk (and it's products) and honey. Actually, the whole thing about the meat industry was a large deciding factor in starting my experiment... also what Pythagoras said on vegetarianism was a huge motivating factor to me as well.
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On a final note, by "spiritual promiscuity" I do not mean not learning as much as you can. You certainly can grab as many books as you like and read to your heart's content.
Oh thank you, learning and reading is something that is very important to me.
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But as far as I am concerned for something of such a nature to be of any use there has to be a practical dimension to it.
Understood. I do have a strong tendency to work a lot on the theoretical and intellectual level and not as much on the experiential level.
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I fail to see, for instance, the practical dimension in David Deida's "Crazy Wisdom" gig.
I've come across a fair amount of praise for Deida personally, what do you think of the man himself?
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I suppose a lot of it springs up from deep instrospect and meditation and proximity to the Tao if it can be deemed regit, but then one can't help heed the Dao te' Ching's: "The Tao that can be talked about is NOT the True Tao".
Yes, like the personification of god is not The All itself.
There are a few interesting things I wanted to ask you. About the Kua number, does it have applications outside of fung shui? I'd be interested in learning whether or not the Kua number can be important in your own self. Astrology, both Hindu and Daoist both seem extremely interesting, and I wondered whether not it could be something that would be helpful in the pursuit of self development? My Kua Number is One, for instance, how can that knowledge be used to help me out generally?
Thanks a great deal Arman, I really appreciate the help!
Aha. That makes a great deal of sense to me. Is this being similar in physiology to us - does the concept of "God created man in his own image, in the image of God" (Genesis 1.27) hold truth? (It actually also happens to be present in other traditions, like the Hermetic tradition as well, to my knowledge) I understand that in general, the formulation must be the same - material body, etheric bodies, mind, and spirit... but did this individual model us to be like itself in terms of physiology, etc? And how do you think Jesus was, as the Church fathers said, directly connected with this individual in a way that the rest of us are not? Or do you think he was a normal guy, like Buddha or Balinas, who came across the divine consciousness?
It is my belief that this individual was Jesus' father, biologically speaking. But that does not make him any less "normal" than the rest of us. We ALL have extra-terrestrial DNA tracing back to this individual. Which is why we have certain physical features that are simply NOT terrestrial: Hairs only predominanly on head that keeps growing and growing, fingernails that keep growing and growing, standing upright that is just not terrestrially viable for hunting or even tree-climbing or grazing, an atrophied appendix that has barely retained even a fraction of its functionality compared to apes, and so on.
A VERY good book on the matter is my friend Micah Ben David's "Biogenesis: The Creation of Mankind by an Angelic Species"
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I've come across a fair amount of praise for Deida personally, what do you think of the man himself?
Pretty bright guy, but I am leery of him.
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There are a few interesting things I wanted to ask you...
NO KIDDING! hahaha
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...About the Kua number, does it have applications outside of fung shui? I'd be interested in learning whether or not the Kua number can be important in your own self. Astrology, both Hindu and Daoist both seem extremely interesting, and I wondered whether not it could be something that would be helpful in the pursuit of self development? My Kua Number is One, for instance, how can that knowledge be used to help me out generally?
I use the Kua only for Feng Shui purposes. But I suppose it can also act as an "astrology" reading, to gauge your tendencies, who you get along best with, etc.
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They originate from YOU. They bare the stamp of your own energy, rather chanting things like "Kleem" or "Shreem" or whatnot. The latter category are really just "crutches". They are powerful insofar as HELPING you move forward, but why rely on them when you can rely on your own "mantras"?
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I don't visit this forum much anymore, and i figured I should drop in. I'm giving this a shot. Most of the attraction threads I avoid for the reasons you have listed.
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