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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Just Reply with quote

Is just me or do you feel that the board is stagnating, it just seems like the old subjects keep reoccuring. I was eargerly awaiting the arrival of the rad lazer, but the launch date has come and gone. I remember the old days where seduction techniques was disscussed in detail and KA was hot off the press.

I remember when Joey and Jobet used to regularly get involved in posts and give their opinions. Have we come to, dare I say the end of this pionering subject. Maybe not, but I do feel that we need something new to take us in a forward direction.

Come on boys of xtreme bring us some new gadgets or cd's to whet our appetites, I know I'm not the only person thinking this I am sure.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I've noticed is that everything worth having is outside my budget at this time.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that not having Joey and Jobet involved in more post's is a setback. Their input is very valuable.... we need more expert's who know what their talking about to give us great tips.... and if you check out the old post's on these forums you'll see many of those great tips. I wish there was someway to get them to come back.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:07 pm    Post subject: Members' experiences Reply with quote

What we, most certainly, also need are members'reports on their experiences with gadgets, cd's, dvd's and what have you. It's nice to read about the imminent launch of yet another rad box (the Laser's been on its way for quite a while now, agreed), or a brand new seduction cd, but we haven't got a clue about people's experiences with the "old"stuff. How did every one who's been so eagerly awaiting the Long Horn and the Imagine fare with their newly acquired electronic babies. It still amazes me no end that folk keep buying one fancy thing after another without being able (or willing?) to share their user experiences (positive, negative, whatever) with their fellow members. Rolling Eyes Confused So, come on boys and gals, your stories will be much appreciated. Thank you. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree that not having Joey and Jobet involved in more post's is a setback.


It seems to me that whenever I email one of the head honchos, the reply is delayed, other than the autoresponder. It would be nice if they focused on this business too. I know Joey has at least 3 other companies to run, but letting Xtrememind founder isn't good business practice.

Oh well.

Did you notice this is the one board where the forum has virtually no 'hard sell'? There's very little focus on their internal products. People just banter on about anything under the sun these days.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:27 pm    Post subject: HARD SELL? Reply with quote

STeinfeld, it's not quite clear to me what you mean by "hard sell" here. Anyway, I would very much regret a further "commercialization" of this board. If you want to learn more about "metaphysical" products, just hop over to your Google or Yahoo box and you'll find more than enough references as it is. No, what is urgently necessary, in my view at least, is a much more critical evaluation of existing radionic, psionic, accoustic and other popular products here. It's my impression that the market for these products is pretty overheated already. One item after the other is being launched and we haven't got a clue about the real validity of these things.

The situation reminds me of the African and Latin American witch doctors who rave about the potency of their chicken feathers and rabbit bones, Seeing this trickery on TV you can only shake your head or laugh, of course. But is there any "hard evidence" that we're faring much better with our radionic and energetic gadgets and cd's? Well, if that's the case I'd love to hear about it. That would absolutely make my day!! And, presenting such proof on this board would most certainly amount to fullblown "hard sell", don't you think? ? Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What I've noticed is that everything worth having is outside my budget at this time.


Like what? A RAD5? A RADX2? Yes, these are the 'dream machines' that seems to be on everyone's wishlist. And yes, they're pricey! But don't you folks realize that more expensive isn't necessarily better?

Frankly I've been just as happy with my cheapo JU99s as with my RAD5. You don't always need so much chi you know; as some operations like healing or meditation don't always require that much.

Like it's been said so many times, the body only takes what it needs and rejects the rest. Whether oxygen, air, food or chi
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:07 pm    Post subject: The "Rad Race" Reply with quote

Very relevant point I think, dr Rice. The “naïve” consumer seems to be highly impressionable indeed and, apparently fully convinced of the validity (i.e. the “truth”) of the so-called complexity hypothesis: the effectiveness of a product is a function of its structural, physical complexity, Or, as you stated, more is better. Of course, advertisers are well aware of, the (psychological) potential of this state of affairs. Many a prospective buyer’s appetite will be duly whetted by long stories about a product’s technical sophistication. And there you go, the most gullible will surely take the bait. I still remember how much I laughed when I saw a certain member’s Longhorn sale offer, just over a fortnight following its purchase!! He needed the money urgently and was convinced he’d do fine with just his mini-me or some such thing. Another guy begged me to manifest “successful operation” of, yes, his Longhorn for him. He’d been trying in vain to bring a few urgent targets to fruition…. Yet another figure raved about his initial success with the two Longhorns he owned, but thereafter nothing important seemed to have happened anymore.

And moi, myself? Well, I’ve been the proud owner of a (rather expensive) Scalar-Xcalibur device and a Chionmaxx for almost a year now! To my regret, however, I can’t say that working with these goodies has brought me more health, inner harmony or happiness than I would have, probably, gained with simple visualization sessions, to put it even mildly. In short, more or less a waste of money and energy.

To be honest, this really worries and saddens me. If you realize how much effort, how many hours have been spent constructing the orgone/radionic gadgets available on the market these days, and you consider the “results” being reported, the only thing you’ll want to do is cry.

So, let’s say the theory seems to be excellent, but the practical side of the story, alas, is quite another matter altogether! Confused Crying or Very sad
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And moi, myself? Well, I�ve been the proud owner of a (rather expensive) Scalar-Xcalibur device and a Chionmaxx for almost a year now! To my regret, however, I can�t say that working with these goodies has brought me more health, inner harmony or happiness than I would have, probably, gained with simple visualization sessions, to put it even mildly. In short, more or less a waste of money and energy.


A rather nice Indian fellow attempted to sell me his Xcalibur (or was it a chionmaxx) early this year. He sez it did squat for him, and since I'm obviously 'a master', I can probably make it work. Yeah right, I told him. A fine mind hampered with poor tools won't always bring good results. The ideal balance is a system that involves credible tools and a focused mind.Can't have a lack in either.

And yes, dr Rice has it right. The newbie is better off starting with entry level tools to ascertain that his level of belief and his operating mindset makes a good match with radionics. Not everyone succeeds with this.

Think of it like painting. Some painters suck at watercolor but succeed at oils. And vice versa.

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A rather nice Indian fellow attempted to sell me his Xcalibur (or was it a chionmaxx) early this year. He sez it did squat for him, and since I'm obviously 'a master', I can probably make it work. Yeah right, I told him. A fine mind hampered with poor tools won't always bring good results. The ideal balance is a system that involves credible tools and a focused mind.Can't have a lack in either.
Think of it like painting. Some painters suck at watercolor but succeed at oils. And vice versa.


Well, elroy, looks like a rather curious formulation, doesn't it: I'm "a master", I can probably make it work. Isn't it like saying: screw on a few extra wings to this Condor bird's trunk and you'll see it'll fly better than ever before... In other words, if you're a real master you won't need something totally "artificial", such as a "radionic device", will you? The so-called extra boost you're supposed to gain might very well be fully generated by your wonderful brain, not by the machine you're more or less hooked up to. You see, a very important part of the placebo hypothesis, as I'll call it, relates to the aesthetics, the emotional appeal of the gadgetry people are (initially) raving about. It's so sleek, it blinks so mysteriously, there's even a certain (ozone-like) fragrance being emitted during its operation!! But the trouble is that with time the psychological impact of (owning) this type of devices wears off completely. The newness isn't there anymore, the magic's gone and you're back to square one. That is why, in my view, folk are constantly and restlessly at the look out for the next fancy thing. It's never enough or rather, good enough. Of course, you can start out modestly (as dr Rice proposes) and be happy with your ju99. But you'll have to be mighty strong to resist the lure of those big bright advertisements, which btw certainly do not newbies from the more "advanced". And the question remains, of course, whether this really is a relevant point at all. Again, again, again: this is precisely what we still haven't investigated properly. But to tell you the truth, I'm beginning to feel like John the Baptist in the desert: you can call out till you're blue in the face, not a living soul will ever listen up seriously.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There may be another mechanism at work. If you acclimate to a radionics machine, to it's "power" doesn't this mean you will no longer "feel" the power from the machine? "It is kind of like not noticing the wind if you are moving at the same speed as it, in the same direction. The wind exists, but you feel it as still air."
The build-up of chi for the firing would feel like -well nothing after a while. Maybe that's why the machines are training wheels at best. Eventually you will acclimate to the point of not needing them, your body having acquired not only the power but also the neural pathway development to do everything the machine has done prior to that point. That point being where you no longer "feel" anything special from the machine. Since there is no fanfare (like on TV), you make the assumption that the machine has "failed" somehow, and go looking for a new one. And start the process all over again.
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A rather nice Indian fellow attempted to sell me his Xcalibur (or was it a chionmaxx) early this year. He sez it did squat for him, and since I'm obviously 'a master', I can probably make it work. Yeah right, I told him. A fine mind hampered with poor tools won't always bring good results. The ideal balance is a system that involves credible tools and a focused mind.Can't have a lack in either.
Think of it like painting. Some painters suck at watercolor but succeed at oils. And vice versa.


Well, elroy, looks like a rather curious formulation, doesn't it: I'm "a master", I can probably make it work. Isn't it like saying: screw on a few extra wings to this Condor bird's trunk and you'll see it'll fly better than ever before... In other words, if you're a real master you won't need something totally "artificial", such as a "radionic device", will you? The so-called extra boost you're supposed to gain might very well be fully generated by your wonderful brain, not by the machine you're more or less hooked up to. You see, a very important part of the placebo hypothesis, as I'll call it, relates to the aesthetics, the emotional appeal of the gadgetry people are (initially) raving about. It's so sleek, it blinks so mysteriously, there's even a certain (ozone-like) fragrance being emitted during its operation!! But the trouble is that with time the psychological impact of (owning) this type of devices wears off completely. The newness isn't there anymore, the magic's gone and you're back to square one. That is why, in my view, folk are constantly and restlessly at the look out for the next fancy thing. It's never enough or rather, good enough. Of course, you can start out modestly (as dr Rice proposes) and be happy with your ju99. But you'll have to be mighty strong to resist the lure of those big bright advertisements, which btw certainly do not newbies from the more "advanced". And the question remains, of course, whether this really is a relevant point at all. Again, again, again: this is precisely what we still haven't investigated properly. But to tell you the truth, I'm beginning to feel like John the Baptist in the desert: you can call out till you're blue in the face, not a living soul will ever listen up seriously.


I see you somewhat mirror my beliefs/perceptions about radionic devices
I was thinking it may be somewhat more related to having a physical focus to direct your intent towards and the residual energy may continue to work towards attaining your goal. To give a more basic description, think of it as charging an object with your intention, and the energy leaks out of the object and projects your intention to manifest or whatever effect you were seeking

I came to this theory when looking at circles of power and Kundalini

The circular patterns like these make it easier to focus on the center of an object and send a much more focused amount of energy towards it, you charge the circles daily or periodically and they work as somewhat of a radionic device where you do not have to actively concentrate on something and can allow the object to do so for you

When I look at the radionic devices and how you attempt to tune into the proper frequency or other methods of using similar devices you are focusing your concentration and intent towards the device as well which could in fact charge it in a similar fashion to the former explanation

This is just a theory of mine, so I am not certain of how true it may be, I merely base my theories and ideas off of how the information presents itself to me and this is what I ended up with
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