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|Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:06 am Post subject: MEMBERSHIP GUIDELINES
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Xtrememind / UltimateSeduction is a very intelligent, progressive and focused group for both men and women where many topics and methods are openly discussed. To insure you get the best out of this group there are several policies that we simply must enforce in order to keep the group focused and alert.
To the 98% of you out there that the "don't do this" mentioned below does not apply, we want you to see just how steadfast we are in protecting your personal development by keeping the irritating buzzing flies of spam and garbage away from your in-basket.
Please respect your fellow Group members and follow these very simple post guidelines!
UltimateSeduction was started by Joseph Plazo to open-mindedly discuss practical methods of seduction, metaphysics hypnosis, and persuasion. Joseph is the author of a number of eBooks books on this topic, which can be found at his website www.xtrememind.com .
UltimateSeduction's managing moderator is William Anthony (a.k.a Archangel). I'm a Certified Hypnotherapist with a close focus on non-verbal hypnosis. I've incorporated this into a particularly advanced model of NLP called NLP Plus, and you can find out more at my website at NLP-Plus.com.
New Members READ THIS
Our Favorite Topics of Discussion
Breath/Body/Mind/Motion and NLP PLUS
Important things to know about yourself, in general
Our Unforgiving Anti-Spam Policy (trainers/vendors MUST read)
What is the Brainwave Generator?
Instructive Television Shows and Movies
1. Important Rules for this Group
We do not allow chain letters, open-looping, or hoax advertising of any kind. No matter how subtle or smart you think you are, we've seen it all. We will ban you, then notify the other lists to ban you as well.
The focus of this group is to be positive (Hi!), and to maintain a focus when discussing techniques.
For some of the language discussions, it's helpful if you already have a basic knowledge of sentence structure; that is, nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, subject & direct object.
Please keep in mind that this group is focused on practical uses of techniques
Go someplace else if you want to play online power games. We have no tolerance for them here. Believe me when I say that you will not like the reaction you'll get from us.
It is the responsibility of each member of the Group to maintain and update an anti-virus program on the main computer you use to access the group. You can get FREE antivirus software from www.download.com
The techniques discussed here require honesty, with yourself and with others. This means that there won't be any "I was talking to my (imaginary) friend the other day...", or, "I was reading an article (that doesn't exist) that said...". We're not saying that doing so isn't successful, we're just saying that we've chosen not to run this forum that way.
We insist and demand that you demonstrate respect for other posters.
If you are replying to a post, and the content no longer correlates with the Subject of the post, please change the Subject. So, if the original title was 'Hypnosis tapes' and you start to talk about meditation techniques, then change the Subject to: 'Meditation techniques (was Hypnosis tapes)'.
If you are subscribed to the Digest, please make your subject line directly related to your query (remove references to the Digest), and trim unnecessary digest posts from your reply.
Please SNIP all irrelevant sections from a post when you are replying. ONLY include the comments that are relevant to your reply. Trim your posts to keep them relevant and to-the-point.
DO NOT WRITE WITH ALL CAPITALS. IT IS NOT ONLY RUDE, IT MAKES THE WRITER APPEAR STUPID.
This is a mature group. Plse, u r not 2 rite like this. Use proper spelling and capitalization.
If you are a good contributor to the group, and you have a specialty Yahoo group you'd like to promote, you can go ahead and post the link, as long as it's in the appropriate area.
Remember, The Meaning of your Communication is the Honest Response you Get!
There are more crappy self-improvement products sold online than there are good ones. You'll see references to most of the good ones in the "Recommended Websites" section of the FAQ. Questionable websites may be moderated out out posts.
2. New Members READ THIS
Many of our new members like to ask, "There's this girl/guy I really like, will I learn how to seduce them here?"
The answer to this question is, most definitely, YES. As to which technique will work - well, that's up to you. While our archives contain plenty of data on seduction techniques, hypnosis, persuasion, and remote influence, the most important technique you need to learn to seduce is called Rapport. Rapport is the ability to connect with someone on an emotional level. It is the first skill you need to develop in order to be a successful seducer.
It's important to understand that "seduction" is all about how you feel about yourself, and how that meshes with your personal beliefs about yourself and others. It's true that the more you understand yourself, the more you can understand others - and understanding others makes you someone that people will certainly want to get to know, closely.
The best way to get help from this group is to demonstrate a willingness to try new things. That means that you have searched the archives and tried some techniques. Members will be much more willing to help you if you can describe for them something about the techniques that you've tried, and their effect on you and your subject.
Also, please do not post to the group asking "Does anyone know if this product/website works"? That's like asking someone if they know a guy named Joey because he lives in New York. There are literally thousands of self-help products out there (and most of them suck!). Asking if someone knows about a product is a waste of our time and a waste of yours.
Most importantly, be frank and polite about your situation and add a descriptive subject to your email ("Help" or "Newbie" are not considered descriptive subjects). At all times, remember to stay focused.
3. Our Favorite Topics of Discussion
Conversational Hypnosis (NLP+™)
Mind Control Magick (XtremeMind)
Psychic Influence (XtremeMind & NLP+™)
In general, we like to focus on the immediate and practical use of:
For women, you will understand that not all men are like big dogs that talk (haha!), and we can show you how to reach that special guy's emotional side. For men, you will understand that women are not aliens from another planet.
For everyone, we'll show you how to improve the quality of your communications and how to relate to others more fully, and more deeply, than you have ever experienced before.
4. About Breath/Body/Mind/Motion and NLP Plus
It's a well-known fact that every and any issue with a new or established relationship can be improved by managing your own state of mind - what NLP calls state control. NLP Plus has been called the most highly advanced branch of NLP to date. By proper use of breath control, easy body postures, proper mental habits, and taking advantage of certain motions, NLP Plus is a new and revolutionary way to give yourself rock-solid control of your mental and emotional state by using structures based upon these principles. This new method is remarkably easy to remember because it is based upon four memory and body behaviors:
(also abbreviated BBMM).
Our groups has explored numerous applications of BBMM. Successful applications include dealing with difficult people, remote influence, and seductive persuasion. An easy to use Attraction Structure is available.
5. Important Things to Know About Yourself & Others
by William Anthony, C.Ht, NLP
All relationship issues can be solved by focusing on, and maintaining, the proper mental and emotional state.
In general, you are attracted to people that appear to have qualities you're lacking, while simultaneously demonstrating that they are similar to you.
Your external world is an accurate reflection of your internal world.
People respond more powerfully to your non-verbal signals, than what you say.
People respond to what you think about yourself.
In general, when doing seduction, only talk and think about things and feelings that you want your target to associate with you.
Always go into trance with a purpose, or you may find that you will come out of trance with a lack of purpose.
See it before you do it.
Do it as if you've already done it.
Whenever you hypnotize someone, you must hypnotize yourself first.
If you have hidden intentions, there is no 100% reliable way to hide these thoughts from others
For many people, becoming psychic requires an identity change
The best psychic defense is to not take the person seriously at all - have a sense of humor!
The most compelling and powerful way to communicate is to speak so that you are convincing yourself as you are speaking.
If you take a deep breath before speaking, your voice will come out much more pleasing.
You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people on the internet!
You attract the type of person that reinforces your identity. For example, if you're unhappy with who you are, you'll attract someone that will make you even more unhappy.
Love yourself, and you'll be a person that people will want to be with.
Learn to laugh, loudly and as often as possible
In all interpersonal dealings, think win/win
In general, when doing psychic influence, bring them to you - do not go to them, or you will adopt their fears and anxieties.
Feelings of desperation or despair will hinder any psychic influence attempt.
One of the most critical parts of any psychic influence is the banishment. After you do it, forget it.
In order to manifest money, you must first manifest a feeling of security and abundance.
Manipulation: Are you concerned that what you are doing is manipulation? Then ask yourself, "How would I feel if someone was doing this to me?"
Every day, unenlightened people make decisions based not on what they want to achieve, but what they are used to makes them comfortable
You cannot achieve self-enlightenment solely from the Internet. You've got to get out and get to know people.
Only pathetically insecure people initiate power games. They do it to reinforce who they think they are. As they grow older, they will grow angrier, and more unhappy.
When watching movies, if you can sit thru and bear an onscreen character's embarrassment, you can better bear your own embarrassments.
When watching movies, between a conflict of two people, identify with the stronger character if you can feel their point of view. Never identify with the victim. Never.
If you are good at sleight-of-mouth (SOM), you'll be great at flirting.
A person cannot maintain any standard of morals when they has no ordinary means of living.
- (Kenkň Hoshi, 14th century Japanese Buddhist spiritual leader)
Seriously hot women perceive any act of kindness from a man as a definite act of manipulation. There is no exception to this rule, because she is correct.
There are many trainers in NLP, hypnosis, and self-help. You can usually trust those that promote their products over themselves. Any trainer that self-promotes by giving you a long and detailed history is probably giving you an inaccurate history. Any trainer that tell you a lot about himself and no definite examples of his techniques is a con artist (this includes almost all seduction gurus. Ross Jeffries is the real thing, however).
The effectiveness of a trainer's product is more important than the trainer.
There is no chemical solution to a spiritual problem.
Momentum is Everything.
Your inability to deal with the past is significantly less important than your ability to deal effectively with the future.
A pretty girl's worst fear is that she's boring. Her second worst fear is that you will bore her.
The one thing a pretty girl will not put up with is a guy that's boring.
Everybody has fucked-up parents. Everybody
Every night, before you go to bed, read a funny book.
All of the biography & "about" shows you see on cable channels A&E and the Biography Channel are done by contracted public relations firms. Keep in mind that what you see is not reality - it is "spin". This includes any show that pretends to be the "True Hollywood Story" - what you are seeing is fiction.
With few exceptions, believe nothing a Hollywood actor says about themselves. And always remember that Hollywood movies that proclaim to be "the true/real story" are works of fiction.
At all costs, avoid judgmental assholes. These are people that, with their words and tone of voice, try to make you feel bad about choices you make and constantly criticize you. These people are already poisoned, and want to spread their poison to you.
6. We tolerate wanton advertising, but only in the right forum category
Our rules against spam are strict and unforgiving.
If you sell a product, we expect you to contribute to this list as you promote your products. This includes some long signatures, which may be considered advertising
Your post must have a focused point to make. Rambling or intentionally vague posts will be rejected. Posts whose sole intent appears to be getting your signature with your links posted can get you banned after only one warning.
If your first post is "Does anyone know about this website _____", or, "This is a great website ______.", it will be considered spam.
If you sell a product, or consider yourself a trainer, you may only post to the Group using your business handle. You may not post using anonymous handles, or an identity other than your own. If you are discovered, not only will your all known handles be banned, but your product will also be banned from any discussion and your emails deleted from the archives. You are encouraged to discuss your products openly and honestly.
If you sell a product with "proprietary technology" that cannot be discussed openly, it is not appropriate to discuss it on UltimateSeduction unless you have other techniques that can be discussed completely openly.
Look, we've seen all the tricks. Protestations of innocents when you are caught only make us laugh. As a rule of thumb, if you know you're spamming, we know you're spamming. We're psychic, after all!
There are a number of free websites on the internet that come highly
NLP-PLUS.com - The next generation in NLP and non-verbal hypnosis. It's run by Archangel and it's simple, fast, and effective. Free lesson available.
www.chioshealing.com - Excellent and practical instruction in Chi development and Chakra flow. Includes detailed instructions for Chi development and opening chakras. Highly Recommended.
NLP Crash Course - Excellent intro to NLP, courtesy of Dr. Sulo.
http://www.xtrememind.com/powertips.htm Power Tips for Business People by Joe Plazo - Excellent, practical advice on how to take care of business, the NLP way.
www.nlpuniversitypress.com - The Encyclopedia NLP and Hypnosis
www.fastseduction.com - complete archive of all posts to the alt.seduction.fast newsgroup
www.pickupguide.com - Maniac High's website
Right Now - A wonderful motivational online movie.
www.seductionnow.com - another website devoted to seduction, with online message boards
Nerd's Guide to Sex - absolute beginner material. A must-read for novices.
CollegeSexAdvice.com - Useful and practical beginner material. Something every teennage boy and girl should read.
Commercial websites include:
NLP-PLUS.com - The next generation in NLP. It's run by Archangel and it's simple, fast, and effective. This is the premier educational source for anyone looking to gain an edge in compelling persuasion. Free lesson available.
www.xtrememind.com - Our UltimateSeduction Founding Website! The place to go if you're looking for the best in remote influence
www.wendi.com - Wendi Friesen and inexpensive & very effective hypnosis tapes. Very Highly recommended.
www.georgebien.com - [warning - page contains sound] outstanding and inexpensive intro to NLP and Hypnosis videos. Many free online videos!
www.nlpu.com - Home of Robert Dilts, a leading influence in the area of NLP.
www.essential-skills.com - Home of Tom and Kim Vizzini, the innovators of 3D Mind. Very good articles and cost-effective training tapes.
www.chikung.com - Gary Clyman and his effective Chi Kung system. Tapes and a number of excellent online articles.
www.speed-seduction.com - home of Ross Jeffries and his highly effective Speed Seduction™
www.purenlp.com - Richard Bandler and John Lavalle
www.omnihypnosis.com - the website of Jerry Kein, a very sincere and caring man. Very good tapes and a number of excellent articles about hypnosis.
10. What is the BrainWave Generator / BWGen?
The BrainWave Generator is a computer program that generates specific tones of sound designed to alter one's state of consciousness. There is a freeware version as well as a registered version that you can find at www.bwgen.com.
11. Instructive Television Shows and Movies
These are movies and American TV shows that demonstrate in very practical ways different aspects of hypnosis, NLP, and persuasion.
Dennis Miller - TV Comedy/talk show. Dennis hits you with metaphors so fast it'll keep your head spinning. Watch his old show on HBO, and his new show on CNBC.
Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me - Geez, this whole movie is just filled with hypnotic language.
SportsNight - Aaron Sorkin's quick-witted TV series is now available on DVD. This amazing show is peppered with conversational interactions that demonstrate trance word rapport, metaphors, and seemingly different concurrent story lines that all have the same theme. Stunning use of Sleight of Mouth.
The Weather Channel - Some people are really addicted to this channel... Filled with embedded commands to get you to Keep Watching, and Feel Good, along with subtle and excellent use of pleasing voice tonality. Notice how everyone takes a good deep breath before speaking. Listen for the tonality shifts. Bad weather is mentioned in disapproving tonality, while good weather is mentioned in a highly optimistic tone of voice. Some of the weatherpeople (persons?) are very good at spatial anchoring with their hands during a forecast.
Law & Order - Very popular TV show, seen nightly on the TNT channel. Watch during interrogations as the officers pace, then lead, suspects into making a confession!
David Letterman - This late-night TV host zones in on his guests' trance words and modalities for some highly entertaining interviews. Rumored to be an NLP Master Practitioner. Don't miss his interviews with NLP guru Dr. Phil.
Whose Line Is It Anyway? - You don't want to miss this show. This is a spin-off of a popular British improv comedy troupe. The use of NLP-style language is simply stunning. Some of the comedy improv games are excellent for developing your own NLP language skills with friends.
Dog Whisperer (National Geographic Channel) - The show's namesake, Cesar Millan, teaches dog owners how to deal with difficult dogs. How does he do it? Well, Cesar says that a dog gets their energy from their master. To get your dog to do what you want, the human has to display "calm, assertive energy". Sound familiar? "In the wild, a dog's survival depends upon having a strong assertive pack leader." Cesar teaches you how to be a pack leader. The philosophy lends itself very well to being Confident.
12. Recommended Books
Let me start this section off with a comment on Amazon.com. While it's certainly a terrific website for buying books, it's important to understand that the written reviews are less than, well, worthless. It's not unusual for an author to register on Amazon.com several times and puff his/her own book, while giving "helpful" review status to their other reviews. Insiders have told me that a publisher may own many, many Amazon.com accounts to provide high ratings to books they wish to promote. So, in the hopes of providing some honest feedback on some of the best books, I offer you only my strongest recommendations on the following:
'Illusions - The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah' by Richard Bach. A short, yet stunningly powerful book, that changes your life after you've read it. Archangel's highest recommendation.
Hypnotize Your Lover by Wendi Friesen - A powerful and practical introduction to the use of hypnotic language in common seduction situations. The only book of it's kind written by a woman that is a Certified Hypnotherapist.
'The Sixth Sense' by Stuart Wilde. A practical and common-sense guide to developing your intuition and becoming happy in your life.
'Trance-formations: neuro-Linguistic Programming and the Structure of Hypnosis' by John Grinder and Richard Bandler. Everyone's introduction to hypnosis and language patterns.
'Sleight of Mouth' by Robert Dilts. Teaches the art of... talking. If you're good at SOM, you'll be great at flirting!
'The Art of Seduction' by Robert Greene. A very long, and highly detailed, read.
'Instant Rapport' by Michael Brooks - long winded but useful exposition of rapport and anchoring from an NLP perspective
'Cognitive Patterns of Jesus of Nazareth' available from Robert Dilts, a fascinating introduction to Jesus' advanced spiritual patterns from an NLP perspective.
'Unlimited Selling Power' by Donald Moine and Ken Lloyd. Excellent, practical book on using NLP in selling.
'Psychic Self-Defense' by Dion Fortune. Clearing the mist of what's real and what's phony, this is an intense, thought-provoking read.
'Excuse Me, Your Life Is Waiting' by Lynn Grabhorn. Grabhorn's version of the Abraham-Hicks manifestation techniques.
Synopsis of the Four Gospels, edited by Kurt Aland. This book places similar passages of the four Gospels of The New Testament, side by side. Footnotes provide additional insight to different interpretations of passages. A unique way to examine Jesus' wisdom and discover the nuances of his magick.
Oh, and some books that I do not recommend - because they contain impractical drivel - include "Angel Tech" and "The Templar Revelation". Also, don't bother with "Prometheus Rising" or any other bullshit books by new age satirists Robert Shea or Robert Anton Wilson - because they're just making fun of people that will believe anything.
Just who is this 'Archangel' guy?
I'm just the biological son of John F. Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe...! But seriously, I'm an NLP Master Trainer and a Certified Hypnotherapist. As a former suicide hotline worker, I've worked hard to shift out useless superstition from what is truly useful, practical, and powerful for you. For more information about me, look here.
I tend to answer well-formatted questions from people that post with a first name (the less serious your handle, the less seriously I'll consider your question)
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