Does anyone here actually use SS or subscribe to it?
I use some when in the comfort and rapport stages of seduction basically directing conversations along "themes" that serve you (ie sexual adventure , being spontaneous etc) , which I've done several times to good effect.
The issue most people have are that the patterns seem difficult to memorize and sound awkward to say. I dont think NLP/SS is really viewed as a complete, perfect method anymore by the majority of players around. SS & NLP are an ARTIFICIAL way to create natural attraction.
Saying that If you look at Ross's demonstrations now, he spends a lot of time demonstrating on the female guests in the audience.
He uses girls from audience and runs patterns on them, this creates some SERIOUS attraction. Energy work is also heavily emphasised. I know that some of the energy work he did on one guys wife had her writhing in ecstacy.
I think he also uses 3D mind material and activates his hara then penetrates the energy centre at the base of his subjects spine. Interesting that SS has moved in this direction and that Ross is really really big on Magick and energy work.
I use SS massively and it works like magick, its so effective. it seems awkward to throw the patterns and usually guys are afraid of being cought, but the truth is you never got cought, people are not used to hear such things. and you don't have to momorize patterns, I don't know any pattern in mind that Ross teaches cuz when you understand the mechanics how it works, you start throwing patterns word perfect exacly matching the space time and the flow of the conversation which makes it seem so natural .I don't seek to say patterns but I just say what I normally say and just color it with some patterns.
It might be helpful to memorize few patterns in the beginning but over some time and a little practice the tools get embedded into your subconscious and become part of your way of speaking, that's when you throw powerful patterns without consciously thinking of them. and that's the big fun many people don't realize the power of SS cause they don't realize that stage where SS becomes a part of who you are and Seducer becomes your natural character. Don't try to memorize the patterns superficially but understand the use of embedded commands, time distortion, submodalities, hypnotic commands, trance induction, calibration...etc and once you got that then you're not bound by those patterns and they just serve as examples and you can come up with hundreds of your own exactly matching the situation you're in. If Ross is the #1 seduction guru in the world there must be a reason for that
Yes, Ross has moved from SS to psychic influence, magick and energy work. Both together (SS+PS) constitute the most powerful influence Ive ever seen so far. all the other seduction stuff about dating stuff becomes junk, cuz you are able to trenscend all that and come from the backdoor where no resistance exists and go straight to her secret place that usually takes guys months to reach.
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I AM A BEAST
I guess Im beast too ....according to seeker
MP _________________ "Man is the master of thought, the molder of character, and maker and shaper of condition, environment, and destiny."
James Allen
in. If Ross is the #1 seduction guru in the world there must be a reason for that
According to whom? Ross Jeffries? For all we know, you are even better than him now.
you're right! I meant the most popular (I violated the lost performatives rule...my bad)
We are better than him ..I love his NLP he knows how to use it effectively
MP _________________ "Man is the master of thought, the molder of character, and maker and shaper of condition, environment, and destiny."
James Allen
As a great Fan of Stephane Hemon, who runs www.ideagasms.com , I share this newsletter with you.
I think that's a "pick up guru" who is very close to all the things we learn here .
It's not so much WHAT we say, but our intentions and beliefs behind it.
Enjoy
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The ideaGasms(R) Dating, Sex and Relationships newsletter
is considered by many to be the most ARROGANT newsletter on
the 'net.
We're glad you like it!
"Possibly The Greatest Pickup Line EVER!"
Dearest readers,
A good friend of mine recently shared his "almost foolproof"
pickup line with me, and it's SO DAMN GOOD that I just HAD to
tell you guys.
Now, about one year ago, I was getting so many emails from guys
asking me for pickup lines, and I hesitated to become the next
pickup line "guru" because to me, the only reason men ever worry
about this stuff is because they have very poor inner game.
I was also teaching Live Pickup Workshops in those days, but
I stopped teaching them after a few months because my students
were getting very little value from them.
They'd see me walk up to girls, get them laughing, and sometimes
even making out with them in minutes. Then they would say,
"Great Steph, but I could never do that."
It was too overwhelming because they lacked inner game.
You see, a long time ago I figured out that as long as I ASSUME
that girls will love me, the chances of them ACTALLY loving
me increased exponentially.
I just walk around all day with the frame, "I am truly loved"
and I hold this frame firmly in my mind and heart NO MATTER
WHAT women say and do to me.
I also assume that I AM ENOUGH, just the way I am.
I was out recently with two girlfriends, and as usual, guys
were approaching me every 5 minutes to tell me how "lucky" I
am to be able to live this way.
...They THINK it's luck, but in reality it's self-respect, compassion,
the understanding of how bisexual women "tick", and my open
Heart Chakra.
But anyway, I can remember this one particular guy being really
nice to us, and he genuinely wanted to learn from me about how
I was able to pull this off.
He considered me to be a "mad evil genius" as he put it.
As we were talking, he mentioned that he wasn't going to even
TRY to get a girl until he could save up enough money to move
out and buy a car.
He actually told me this with a straight face.
He truly believed that he needed A CAR in order to take a lady
out on a date, otherwise she wouldn't want to go out with him.
...And here I was, with two beautiful, heart-centered women,
and WE TOOK THE BUS to go out. I do not own a car, and I never
have.
But so many guys believe that they aren't ENOUGH. If it's not
about cars it's about finances, or big muscles, or whatever
they feel insecure about.
When I was in high school, I slept with over 30 girls in my
school. And that was just ONE of the 5 high schools that I
went to.
I had total abundance of women, even though I lived with my
parents, had no car, had the worse case of acne in the entire
school, and so on.
So that's why I don't like to focus on teaching OUTER GAME such
as pickup lines and "routines". Whenever I taught those to
people in the past, they always found a way to screw it up because
they didn't have the inner game, the SPINE to back it up.
By the way, if you really want extreme, unshakeable inner game,
if you have my Chakra program pay special attention to the affirmations.
And don't just say them, LIVE THEM because they are the Universal
Laws of Love, Life, Abundance, and Balance.
So about a year ago I made a cheesy little home video called
"Breaking The Ice" and it's a pickup routine I developed during
pickup workshops.
It was designed to essentially REFRAME my students into dropping
the old, "how to I gain her approval and attraction?" and to
start thinking in terms of, "Does she qualify? Do I even LIKE
this woman? Do I feel good around her?" type of attitude.
And THAT is the fundamental attitude difference between guys
who pickup consistently and guys who don't. Because as soon
as you seek her approval, she knows that she cannot TRUST YOU
to be solid, to be strong, to be masculine, to protect her,
to be loyal, etc.
An approval-seeking wuss cannot be trusted, and TRUST is the
number one aphrodisiac.
So how do we gain a woman's trust?
Well, it's certainly not by verbally telling her, by trying
to convince her that we are trustworthy.
We gain a woman's trust simply by BEING TRUSTWORTHY.
You see, a lot of what we call "shit tests" are simply a woman's
way of finding out if we can be trusted.
For example, of of my frames is, "I am truly loved."
If a woman "tests" me by treating me like garbage, the way I
react is going to be completely different than the way most
guys would react.
When a woman acts bratty or rude or flakey, most guys take it
PERSONALLY and either get offended and angry, or shy and scared.
Not me!
If a woman is rude to me, I simply assume that she loves me,
but isn't LOVING HERSELF RIGHT NOW.
It's called compassion...
I might look at her with a curious look and say, "Shhhh... hey,
you love me. Tell me what's REALLY going on, because this isn't
about me."
And 9 times out of ten, she will calm down and tell me what
is really on her mind (fear of something).
See what that does?
Right then and there I have earned her trust. I didn't take
her "crap", I simply held up a "social mirror" for her to stop
projecting her "crap" onto me and start looking within herself.
I didn't get mad or offended, I simply deflected her negativity
back onto her. I DIDN'T OWN IT. I said, "No thanks!" and gave
it right back to her.
And now she knows that I'm SOLID. I'm a man who can be trusted.
I cannot be manipulated. I won't take her crap.
If a woman can manipulate you, she knows that when you are out,
ANY WOMAN can manipulate you. Therefore you aren't loyal and
trustworthy, you see?
She now knows that if she bears children for you, you won't
be able to handle her many mood swings. You won't be a good
father. You won't stick around when "the shit hits the fan".
You'll probably even cheat on her, who knows?
Of course, she doesn't think this consciously. It is hard-wired
into her neurology.
I'd say that the number one thing that makes a woman "wet" and
horny is your ability to convey trustworthiness, and underneath
that this will show her GOOD FATHER QUALITIES.
In other words, Yang Energy.
So you're in a bar, or a coffee shop, or even out on the street
during the summer.
You spot an attractive woman.
Or you spot a group of attractive women.
Or you spot a mixed group of men and attractive women.
You know that you have to quickly convey to them that you DO
NOT SEEK APPROVAL (and therefore have high self-esteem and can
be TRUSTED).
You JUST want to know if they are the kind of people that you'd
like to get to know better. You're definitely not trying to
impress anyone, and you're certainly not "hitting on" them.
So what do you SAY to convey this right off the bat?
Again, you aren't trying to make them like you. You don't need
their approval. You already like, and respect, and honor yourself.
The seduction community strongly suggests using "opinion openers".
One popular opinion opener is, "Hey, do girls think that David
Bowie is hot?"
And that's a pretty good opener, because it can convey that
you just want to chat, that you just want a quick opinion, and
that you're not necessarily HITTING ON THEM.
But the problem is that it lacks integrity. It's a TRICK, where
the pickup artist PRETENDS to want an "opinion", but the truth
is that he has an AGENDA.
Another problem with this type of opener is that many girls
see right through it and think it's LAME. And it is lame!
Because why on Earth do you need a female opinion??? And who
cares if they think David Bowie is hot?
You are showing women that you do not "get it", that you do
not understand women. You should already KNOW that some women
think David Bowie is hot, and some don't, and you should already
know why this is so...
Again, you are showing them that you care too much about what
women think... instead of forming your own opinions.
Another popular seduction community "line" is to be much more
direct and simply walk up to the woman and say, "I like you."
And that is an AWESOME line!
Women love the honesty, and will often blush, giggle, laugh,
and be very intrigued by it.
But still, you are telling her that you like her and you don't
even KNOW HER. Therefore you like her LOOKS, and you are telling
her that looks are enough.
But looks are only a small part of the equation. If you convey
to her that looks are enough to get you interested in her, this
only conveys that you cannot be trusted.
You can't be trusted because you lead your life from the crotch
instead of from the Heart, from INTEGRITY.
I personally like to say, "I like you TOO."
See what that does?
It's in total alignment with my "I am truly loved" frame. I
ASSUME that she loves me right off the bat.
I don't care if it's "true" or not because I understand that
belief CREATES reality. By believing that she loves me and
treating her almost as if she is already my girlfriend, it will
often CAUSE her to love me.
It's also DAMN CHARMING, and it's the basis of what makes Cocky/Funny
work. Whenever Cocky/Funny results in attraction, it is because
you have conveyed that you are already assuming that she wants
you, that she loves you, and that you don't need her approval.
When I open with, "I like you too", the overall tone and bodylanguage
that I have suggests that I am actually reassuring her that
her feelings for me are perfectly natural and okay, and that
I can be trusted with her heart.
Sometimes I will even say that.
I'll say something like, "I like you too... It's okay, because
this is your Heart Chakra." Then I will point to her Thumus
Gland, in the center of her chest. Then I'll say, "And this
is my Heart Chakra" and place her hand on my heart. Now we
are holding each other's hearts! And I'll say, "I can tell
that you would probably never try to hurt my heart deliberately,
and I would never hurt yours... My name is Stephane."
Sounds cheesy in text, but you'd be surprised! Once you make
a heart connection with someone...
From there, I can often make out with her, even though I've
only known her for 2 minutes. I rarely makeout with women this
quickly though, even though I can. I don't want to overwhelm
her emotionally, because that can cause her circuits to fry
and scare her off, even though she likes me. It is wise to
earn more trust first.
Now, like I said earlier, my friend recently shared an AWESOME
pickup line with me, and it's so solid that I couldn't wait
to share it with you guys.
It's really solid because it quickly conveys that you are SCREENING
HER, instead of trying to impress her and gain her approval.
You simply walk up and say, "Hey, if I chat you for a minute,
am I going to regret it?"
If you're an experienced pickup artist, you are probably reading
this line and feeling just as excited as I felt when my friend
told me about it!
If you have little or no experience talking to women, you might
be wondering why I think this line is so "awesome".
First of all, it's awesome because it conveys that you aren't
seeking approval.
Second of all, it's DAMN cocky/funny, BUT IN A SINCERE WAY.
And third, because it is so honest, it earn's TRUST, which is
the number one attractor for heart-centered women.
And fourth, you are conveying that her LOOKS are not enough.
You are qualifying HER, instead of qualifying yourself TO HER.
It's also great because if the woman isn't feeling very nice
and actually says that you WILL regret talking to her, you won't
LOSE FACE because you can simply laugh and say something like,
"Sorry to interrupt you while you're being miserable" as you
walk away.
She loves you anyway... It's just that she doesn't love HERSELF
enough to be able to express love to others right now.
When I talk this way, inevitably some students will say, "I
understand that this attitude works for YOU, Steph, because
you have so much experience with women and you know what you're
doing. But I'm still somewhat of a dork, and I feel like I
would be lying to myself if I assumed that I was truly loved
at all times. I have no game!"
But here's the thing.
If you integrate the following three beliefs, you'll become
a total natural with women, and you actually WILL become truly
loved:
1- "I Am Enough"
2- "I Accept Myself Fully As I Am"
3- "I Am Truly Loved.
You see, a "wussy dork" believes that he is NOT enough, he doesn't
accept himself fully, and he believes that he isn't loved.
And because of those EGO ILLUSIONS, his communication with women
SUCKS. His failure with women becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.
It's time to take response-ability for proactively shaping your
own reality.
Sure, these beliefs will challenge you to the core at times.
It will feel awkward at first, but I assure you that Love Is
The Only Truth.
See you in a few days,
Stephane
Hope you guys could get something out of it.
Free Soul _________________ Everything will unfold with ease and beauty... just trust the universe
I enjoyed reading the newsletter and even picked up an idea or two.
Glad you enjoyed the post
I only wish more people would learn how to be happy within instead of trying to mask their problems/insecurities with routines and all this manipulative BS. _________________ Everything will unfold with ease and beauty... just trust the universe
Well, the more I read him, the more I'm amazed by how advanced his spiritual insight is, and how he can easily teach such high concepts in easily applicable ways for more fuilfilling life and relationships.
Again, check his nls out, they're free and immensely useful imo. _________________ "Do just once what others say you can't do, and you will never pay attention to their limitations again." Arthur C. Clarke
For those of you who want to start with all the ideagasms stuff, I suggest you to buy his ebook and beyond approach anxiety mp3.
In total this is only 20 bucks.
Nonentheless the best "seduction"(it goes beyond that)product. _________________ Everything will unfold with ease and beauty... just trust the universe
For those of you who want to start with all the ideagasms stuff, I suggest you to buy his ebook and beyond approach anxiety mp3.
In total this is only 20 bucks.
Nonentheless the best "seduction"(it goes beyond that)product.
When you subscribe to his free newsletter, he sends for free a lot of excellent stuff (ebook, video, audio tracks).
Definitely an awesome, inspired, right on the mark system for fuilfilling pickup & relationships success and personal growth
If anyone here is interested in seduction, check it!
Btw, I wonder what happened to my forum subscription request..
Maybe they've changed policies and now you have to be registered customer to be allowed in.. I just know I've send a join request and never got reply _________________ "Do just once what others say you can't do, and you will never pay attention to their limitations again." Arthur C. Clarke
You have to be a customer to join the forum, but that's the fact since several months.
Just forward the email you get, when you purchase an ideagasmsproduct to the admin of the board. (his adress is also in that email)
The ebook,video and destroy fears mp3 isn't for free anymore, as I said above it's now 20 bucks.
But definately worth the price. _________________ Everything will unfold with ease and beauty... just trust the universe
I'm married now, and have been for the last 10 years. So it goes without saying that there are opportunities. It is when you are either not available or you "appear" to be not avaliable that women make themselves more available to you. After I married my first wife I noticed more opportunity and said to myself, "Where were all these women when I was single and available?" Then I divorced the nagging troll and the opportunities seemed to dry up again. Then a friend of mine convinced me to go out with my old wedding ring on. He also advised that I act married/unavailable. I did so and it worked. As soon as I was percieved as unavailable again, the opportunities opened up. It would seem that the girls who are only looking for fun (like yourself) will go after another girls man as a challenge. I was percieved as taken and therefore open to a good time (only) and I belonged to someone else. It worked like a charm. I later realized that the ring was not necessary. Simply act unavailable. If you are in a room full of women - while you are talking to your friends, make momentary eye contact with about 4 or 5 attractive women, then while your eyes are meeting, look away and simply go back to your conversation with your friends as if to deliver the message, "I saw you. You look OK, but I am taken." or "I saw you, and I am not interested." . At least one of those 4 - 5 ladies is going to take the bate. The more attractive she is - the better. Her ego (yes, women have one too - especially attractive ones) will not be able to handle someone who is not interested or prefers someone else over her. She will take it as a challenge. This also puts you in the dominant role when the conversation eventually begins. If you continue to behave as if you are only slightly interested but not quite sold on her or you continue to behave as if the only woman for you is waiting for you back home, you will remain in the dominant position. That worked for me while I was single until I actually found the one that put all other women to shame and married her a few years later. We have been married for 10 years now (almost 11) and have two sons. But once again, a good man who is unavailable is a magnet for every girl out there looking for a good time. _________________ Dr. Faust
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When the "Boogie Man" goes to sleep at night he checks under his bed for Chuck Norris.
You have to be a customer to join the forum, but that's the fact since several months.
Just forward the email you get, when you purchase an ideagasmsproduct to the admin of the board. (his adress is also in that email)
The ebook,video and destroy fears mp3 isn't for free anymore, as I said above it's now 20 bucks.
But definately worth the price.
I've checked the site yesterday - revamped for good, and with a price tag for the excellent stuff they were giving out for free before.
Still, it seems they're giving it as a bonus for the newsletter subscribers.. I'm a bit confused lol
What's sure is that I won't be able to "ninja" my way in the private forum until I buy something.. sooner or later I'm gonna do it, Steph's vibe is amazing.
thanks for the update Free _________________ "Do just once what others say you can't do, and you will never pay attention to their limitations again." Arthur C. Clarke
[...] But once again, a good man who is unavailable is a magnet for every girl out there looking for a good time.
Excellent points Dr. Faust.
Even if I logically understand the reasons behind many of the mechanics in the human female mind, it still not easy for me to accept some truths there..
Like risking to lose a girl only because someone else +seems+ less available screams BS to my male mind..
Oh well, guess we have plenty other means to get the results we want _________________ "Do just once what others say you can't do, and you will never pay attention to their limitations again." Arthur C. Clarke
You have to be a customer to join the forum, but that's the fact since several months.
Just forward the email you get, when you purchase an ideagasmsproduct to the admin of the board. (his adress is also in that email)
The ebook,video and destroy fears mp3 isn't for free anymore, as I said above it's now 20 bucks.
But definately worth the price.
I've checked the site yesterday - revamped for good, and with a price tag for the excellent stuff they were giving out for free before.
Yes at first I thought: WTF? Why charges steph now 20 bucks for this stuff?!?
I later realised that only few people see the worth of a product if it's offered for free.
Strange but true.
Anyways, 20 bucks for an ebook, video and inner-game mp3 is still a very good price _________________ Everything will unfold with ease and beauty... just trust the universe
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many people don't realize the power of SS cause they don't realize that stage where SS becomes a part of who you are and Seducer becomes your natural character. Don't try to memorize the patterns superficially but understand the use of embedded commands, time distortion, submodalities, hypnotic commands, trance induction, calibration...etc and once you got that then you're not bound by those patterns and they just serve as examples and you can come up with hundreds of your own exactly matching the situation you're in. If Ross is the #1 seduction guru in the world there must be a reason for that 
....according to seeker
..I love his NLP he knows how to use it effectively 
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