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[riws]

This is a question directed especially towards GT and TSK.

I read several posts by GT about the ineffectiveness of subliminal tracks ? Would you apply these to XM Subliminals as well ? I know they are using a technology where subliminals is one tiny subset but still would like to know if you had any experience using xm tracks ?

[TomSKinney]

By two weeks I mean that at the time I was listening around 50 or 60 hours per week, or 100 to 120 hours to start seeing results. The results faded to nothing within two days of not listening, and I primarily noticed them within an hour of listening.
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[riws]

Thanks Tom

I guess then GT is right about the subliminals. Sticking to binaurals seems a better option.

[Mr. GreenTea]

The original data on subliminal was flawed. The anecdotal information was prevarication. If subliminal programming did work, people would be getting up to get popcorn and soda throughout the whole movie, regardless of price. Stores would have no shrinkage problems, and we'd be bombarded with endless commercials with no money left in out pockets at the end of the week. All of us would be Stepford Citizens, unable to function without a television set in every room.

Happily for us, and unhappily for every retailer out there, such is not the case.
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[Alastan]

While that can be inferred as 'subliminals are not effective as claimed to be', I'm also inferring this...

"Subliminals are not especially effective. Therefore XM subliminals, despite being XM products, are also not especially effective."

Please correct me if my inference was incorrect.

If it is, a pity. I'd been intending to try some of XMs subliminal products one day.

If XM subliminals ARE effective in your opinion(your subjective opinion, GT) then I'd take it a step further, if you'd be willing to answer. Which subliminals were effective? How effective were they? Were there any comments or special occurrences worth noting in relation to the subliminal and their desired effects?

Much as I like XM, I much prefer to be in the KNOW, as far as I can be based on the recommendations of others, as to whether a product or commodity is effective.

*Side Note*
Its entirely possible that subliminals on whole could be ineffective, but XM subliminals to be radically effective due to the method of creation. Who knows what method they use to create audio disks such as Kundalini Activator. Would it not be possible, nay likely that enormous energy and servitors were involved in the original creation, in order to cover all the bases, so to speak?
Just a side note and opinion. I'm currently ignorant as to the truth of this matter, hence the question.

[Mr. GreenTea]

You raise a number of interesting points. I stand by my subjective, but generally agreed upon opinion. In XM's defense, I will say that I do not believe that the current product line is the same one that they started out with. I am only aware of one public update, but it cause so much misunderstanding that I am sure XM quietly updated their products rather than publicly announcing updates.

I have not asked directly; I am basing my statements on the upgrade cycle of the XtremeBoosters I helped develop. XM upgrades on a very rapid cycle, always implementing best-of-class innovation. XM's first CD was probably just subliminals. I am sure by now it has the very latest in binaural beats, isochronic sound, digital sound processing, and subliminals. As each new audio technique came out, I'm sure they tested it, and then implemented it. Whatever CD you hold in your hand (or will in the future), it will be the latest and greatest that XM could create. XM may refer to this product as a CD, but it is the cutting edge of what it is possible to do with direct mind programming.

As advanced as it is, I am of the opinion that XM's other products are more effective at getting you to a particular goal.
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[Alastan]

Once again I will make an inference on what your statement. It is my understanding(and not necessarily a correct one) that by that last post, you mean to say...

"Even though the very concept and groundwork of subliminals do not work, XMs at the cutting edge of the industry and beyond. Not only did they use the first subliminals when they came available to the wider market, but XM has continued to develop their digital and audio prowess as possible improvements reveal themselves."

More specifically I infer that you believe...

"To demonstrate this truth, one can only wonder if XM takes advantage of binaurals, isochronics, DSP, subliminals(worthy of note, XM uses NLP in their audio do they not?). While subliminals may not be noteworthy anymore, these factors certainly MAY be, and give XM that edge that makes their products WORK."

On this note, I'd suspect that you yourself GT have limited experience with this technology. This is speculation, not confirmed or a judgment.

To which I'd assure fellow XM viewers that binaurals are wonderful pieces of audio when done right, along with ischronics. They work AMAZINGLY well. It really helped ease my forays into metaphysical enormously.
DeepMind is a singular and beautiful example of this. As is DNA Activator(which I have had interesting experiences with, which I have to post sometime). I strongly believe that from the free goods, XM makes high quality and entirely workable pieces of audio software.

Concluding, I'd infer from your comments GT that you believe XMs audio programs work, but given the medium and method you yourself are skeptical of the effectiveness despite the source. And rightfully so.

Perhaps we need to arrange a list of the longterm success of say, Kundalini Activator. Has anyone available on the forum made it through those 6 months and achieved the expected effects?

[Mr. GreenTea]

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[Alastan]

I see GT.

I've also seen and heard of audio programs that play through the night. Theory being to POUND it into your subconscious, with which some success was reported.

On that note, wouldn't the guided meditations be all the more effective as while they take you to Theta state, its necessary for you to complete the actual meditations and the audio only serves to amplify your efforts(or should I say, remove hindrances).

This would explain the great subjectivity of the products(Using KA as an example, as I've heard it has guided meditations) as not everyone completes the guided meditations to the full extent...

All speculation I might add. Thoughts?

[Mr. GreenTea]

I started work with the premise that at a certain point, I would be fully asleep, so the soundtrack was created so that at the point that I'd normally be fully asleep, my mind would be awake, or just awake enough to be in "twilight" while the rest of me is deep asleep. About that time on the track I'd start talking to myself about what was happening in my life, what I wanted to have happen (always talking as if it had already happened), basically telling myself a story.
The file eventually got to big to burn to CD, so I would leave it on the computer, and let the computer run the resulting "program" using a script. What I was planning to do was use something like the Shakti to monitor EEG for more precise timing of when to start audio (Deep Mind Programming). Mostly what I noticed with these all-nighters were mood and perceptual changes.
Cool Edit and BWgen were my tools of choice, but you could probably substitute Audacity for Cool Edit. These days a DVD could probably used instead of a CD, and so could hold the entire soundtrack, and one of those portable DVD players next to the bed would take of having to have a computer near the bed.
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[mindgal33]

I don't really buy into the subliminal tracks...I think that they are just hype.

[drmic]

well i know mlf da babe and Vanish warrior and KA worked for me and they are subliminals. i dont think any are permenant though since i still have to listen to them to get results.
these devices have been out since 2003?
when xm coming with new and better cd's!! mlf da babe 3.0 im ready!!!

[Mr. GreenTea]

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