Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:23 am Post subject: How Would You Categorize Intuition?
For a forum that discusses psi abilities as much as it does, intuition is mentioned very little. I started to wonder just how people regard intuition...
This poll is the result. Feel free to comment on how (or if) you use intuition in conjunction with radionics or other psi abilities. _________________ Quotes ≠ Knowledge.
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My own personal view of intuition is that it's information leakage from our subconscious mind. Our brains are open to MASSIVE amounts of information even of the physical, let alone whatever info might be coming into them from the ethereal (ESP, whatever), or whatever they happen to calculate from the probabilities all around us.
I think that we couldn't function if we dealt with all of this information consciously; we'd be in mind lock. So our brains set up a logic gate to separate us from the massive volumes we have access to. Sometimes that info dribbles past, and into our conscious awareness i.e. intuition.
Things that I think support this are the very facts you can train psychic abilities; learning to consciously (there's that word again) open the logic gate a crack bigger and deal with a fraction more of the information in a controlled fashion.
People who are blinded experience something similar in gaining enhanced peripheral senses. The sensory organs don't become any more complex, the people just learn to deal with that information better and with more depth, thus creating the illusion of enhancement.
Similar happenings are found often in cases of autism and some forms of brain damage, or savant syndrome.
I guess you could think of psychic perceptions (or maybe any extranormal ability) as being the conscious "cultivation" of intuition. _________________
I've a particular reason for asking. I've lately come to conclude that what I thought of as mental abilities, are in fact being informed by intuition. One particular little trick used to freak people out completely. There was a time that I could speed-read at approximately 6000 words per minute. With the novels that I read (usually Tom Clancy or Dale Brown), what would happen is that the words on the page would sort of disappear, and a "stage" would appear in my mind. The characters and background and everything else would come to life, and for me, it was very much like being in a 360 degree movie. It's kind of hard to describe, but if I got knocked out of the novel by someone asking me something, it took a long time to recreate the stage. To people watching me, it looked like I was simply turning the pages as fast as I could.
I got to wondering about this lately (but not at the time, go figure), about how something like this might be possible, since the average "top speed" for speed reading is 1000-2000 words per minute. I am wondering if what I took for granted all this time was not a mental ability at all,, but in fact a psychic ability overlayed on top of a mental ability. Without trying I could go through 2 of those 1300 page novels per day. I'd throttle down because I really enjoyed the book, but mostly it was like having my own movie theater inside my head.
None of this contradicts your theory Rayzorblades, possibly even reinforces it. Makes one wonder if enhancing "psi" is even worth it, as it may be better to just explore and enhance what the mind is capable of in just the mental realms.
Thanks for your response. _________________ Quotes ≠ Knowledge.
Doing brings Knowledge!
Right ≠ number of believers.
Results show Rightness or Wrongness.
Quoting others ≠ being right even if they are!
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There was a time that I could speed-read at approximately 6000 words per minute.
Can you not do this anymore?
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With the novels that I read (usually Tom Clancy or Dale Brown), what would happen is that the words on the page would sort of disappear, and a "stage" would appear in my mind. The characters and background and everything else would come to life, and for me, it was very much like being in a 360 degree movie. It's kind of hard to describe, but if I got knocked out of the novel by someone asking me something, it took a long time to recreate the stage. To people watching me, it looked like I was simply turning the pages as fast as I could.
This sounds like some kind of hypnotic state. Were you not aware that you were turning the pages as fast as you could? If not, then I'd say a trance of "super learning" of some sort.
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since the average "top speed" for speed reading is 1000-2000 words per minute
Interestingly enough Kim Peek, the human computer that the movie "Rainman" is based upon, can supposedly read 2000 words per minute with each eye. This is apparently because his brain lacks a corpus callosum so the hemispheres don't directly communicate, and each half of his body can do a completely separate task simultaneously. I've heard his speed clocks up to 6-10 thousand wpm. I know you said "average", I just felt like sharing that.
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I am wondering if what I took for granted all this time was not a mental ability at all,, but in fact a psychic ability overlayed on top of a mental ability.
This seems plausible if what you mean is that you were psychically imprinting the info from the book at a vast pace and then displaying it in a way that your conscious mind could readily grasp.
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Makes one wonder if enhancing "psi" is even worth it, as it may be better to just explore and enhance what the mind is capable of in just the mental realms.
I've considered this for awhile myself. Science has proven time and again that we are capable of feats that are equivalent to magic, and I've found it more comfortable to describe many "magical" effects and abilities scientifically. If nothing more than to prove to myself that they could work as advertised.
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Thanks for your response.
You're welcome and thank you for yours. _________________
There was a time that I could speed-read at approximately 6000 words per minute.
Rayzorblades wrote:
Can you not do this anymore?
My speed went way up for a while, near 16,000wpm, and then came down. On the other hand I read less than I used to so that could have something to do with it.
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With the novels that I read (usually Tom Clancy or Dale Brown), what would happen is that the words on the page would sort of disappear, and a "stage" would appear in my mind. The characters and background and everything else would come to life, and for me, it was very much like being in a 360 degree movie. It's kind of hard to describe, but if I got knocked out of the novel by someone asking me something, it took a long time to recreate the stage. To people watching me, it looked like I was simply turning the pages as fast as I could.
Rayzorblades wrote:
This sounds like some kind of hypnotic state. Were you not aware that you were turning the pages as fast as you could? If not, then I'd say a trance of "super learning" of some sort.
Maybe. At the time I was really interested in superlearning for its own sake, but never for enjoyment reading; it was "just something I did" while reading, but the end result was the goal, not the method.
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since the average "top speed" for speed reading is 1000-2000 words per minute
Rayzorblades wrote:
Interestingly enough Kim Peek, the human computer that the movie "Rainman" is based upon, can supposedly read 2000 words per minute with each eye. This is apparently because his brain lacks a corpus callosum so the hemispheres don't directly communicate, and each half of his body can do a completely separate task simultaneously. I've heard his speed clocks up to 6-10 thousand wpm. I know you said "average", I just felt like sharing that.
I wonder what happens when the two hemispheres do communicate without having been taught the least efficient way to read, which is of course the way most of us have been taught to read. I lucked into a way to read faster and faster until I had to, out of necessity "Page Read." The difficulty was finding a way to turn the pages fast enough, and after a while i stop trying because it would disrupt the stage too much. I learned to read at a steady pace -about 6K wpm without getting tired turning pages. eBooks were something of a godsend for a while, but eyestrain was my undoing. I let go of the desire to read faster, but did start to wonder what mechanisim had made it possible to begin with. _________________ Quotes ≠ Knowledge.
Doing brings Knowledge!
Right ≠ number of believers.
Results show Rightness or Wrongness.
Quoting others ≠ being right even if they are!
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This is incredible, whoa. 6000 words per minute? How did you ever manage to achieve that?
Sort of by accident. I used to use a 300 baud modem to access the internet, then a 1200, then a 2400. I'd read the words as they came up on the screen, until I read screenfulls at a time. Larger screens meant reading more at one time. Like most things, if you don't think about doing it it is far easier to do; for example it is easier to run down a set of stairs skipping every other step, then to think about doing it while you do it. As a matter of fact, I once was able to levitate using this very method. [nevermind, that's off-topic]. In any event, translating speed-reading on the computer to speed-reading real books isn't a problem. You probably read far faster than you realize.
Wanna see? Take a book that you are familiar with, and get a kitchen timer. Open book to beginning. Set timer for one minute. Start reading. When the bell rings, stop reading. Count how many words you've read. All words count. This is your native reading speed. It is not inscribed in stone, and you can raise it. If you don't do a lot of reading, then it will lower on its own. You can also raise it by improving your brain function through nootropics and smart nutrients, and overall health improvement.
While there is an almost relentless focus on this forum to use [artificial]psi-based methods of improvement for nearly everything, even in the most trivial of areas, there are for more effective ways to improve these areas. Personally I think that using all modalities at one's disposal is far superior to overuse of artificial psi.
Well, a bit off topic, but informative... _________________ Quotes ≠ Knowledge.
Doing brings Knowledge!
Right ≠ number of believers.
Results show Rightness or Wrongness.
Quoting others ≠ being right even if they are!
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Sort of by accident. I used to use a 300 baud modem to access the internet, then a 1200, then a 2400. I'd read the words as they came up on the screen, until I read screenfulls at a time. Larger screens meant reading more at one time. Like most things, if you don't think about doing it it is far easier to do; for example it is easier to run down a set of stairs skipping every other step, then to think about doing it while you do it. As a matter of fact, I once was able to levitate using this very method. [nevermind, that's off-topic]. In any event, translating speed-reading on the computer to speed-reading real books isn't a problem. You probably read far faster than you realize.
It makes sense that if you don't consciously think about doing it, it is far easier to do. Like breathing manually. It always reminds me of what people say about the conscious vs the unconscious - that the unconscious is extremely efficient - requiring very little energy to do its work, wheras the conscious is very slow and inefficient, needing of course conscious input and willpower to achieve what it needs to be achieve.
My question is, is it pleasurable to read books this way? I used to speedread myself, but I found that it wasn't as fun or as interesting as getting into my books. What about comprehension? It seems to me that these things wouldn't be a problem if you actually experienced these things in your mind's eye. That way it appears that your mind would make use of various abilities - perceptive time dilation for instance, to perceive a greater amount of information that would normally be possible.
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Wanna see? Take a book that you are familiar with, and get a kitchen timer. Open book to beginning. Set timer for one minute. Start reading. When the bell rings, stop reading. Count how many words you've read. All words count. This is your native reading speed. It is not inscribed in stone, and you can raise it. If you don't do a lot of reading, then it will lower on its own. You can also raise it by improving your brain function through nootropics and smart nutrients, and overall health improvement.
Do you use Nootropics or 'Smart Nutrients' yourself GT? What do you think? I'll try out your experiment and post my WPM.
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While there is an almost relentless focus on this forum to use [artificial]psi-based methods of improvement for nearly everything, even in the most trivial of areas, there are for more effective ways to improve these areas. Personally I think that using all modalities at one's disposal is far superior to overuse of artificial psi.
Well, a bit off topic, but informative...
Yeah, I definitely agree, although psi-based methods of improvement seem kind of cool, however.
Anyways, you're right, back to the subject at hand, lol.
I've a particular reason for asking. I've lately come to conclude that what I thought of as mental abilities, are in fact being informed by intuition. One particular little trick used to freak people out completely. There was a time that I could speed-read at approximately 6000 words per minute. With the novels that I read (usually Tom Clancy or Dale Brown), what would happen is that the words on the page would sort of disappear, and a "stage" would appear in my mind. The characters and background and everything else would come to life, and for me, it was very much like being in a 360 degree movie. It's kind of hard to describe, but if I got knocked out of the novel by someone asking me something, it took a long time to recreate the stage. To people watching me, it looked like I was simply turning the pages as fast as I could.
I got to wondering about this lately (but not at the time, go figure), about how something like this might be possible, since the average "top speed" for speed reading is 1000-2000 words per minute. I am wondering if what I took for granted all this time was not a mental ability at all,, but in fact a psychic ability overlayed on top of a mental ability. Without trying I could go through 2 of those 1300 page novels per day. I'd throttle down because I really enjoyed the book, but mostly it was like having my own movie theater inside my head.
None of this contradicts your theory Rayzorblades, possibly even reinforces it. Makes one wonder if enhancing "psi" is even worth it, as it may be better to just explore and enhance what the mind is capable of in just the mental realms.
Thanks for your response.
Speed reading 6000 words per min....lol... you must be giving yourself too much credit there buddy, that sounds really idiotic...lol... I like the way you segued into boasting about yourself even though this thread is supposed to be about intuition.
Do you really think the people here care about that silly skill. You make me laugh, and remember I'm just lampooning your post's... nothing more....LOL!!!
_________________ "We have two choices in life. We can choose to see the best situation in our lives, or bemoan why things are not working." ~ Cynthia Stafford
Just because something is outside of your paradigm, doesn't mean it's idiotic. As I stated above, reading that fast is no where near impossible.
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Do you really think the people here care about that silly skill.
Um...I do? Human enhancement is one of my foremost interests.
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I'm just lampooning your post's... nothing more....LOL!!!
Is this necessary? Really? I mean making pointless attacks on GT and screwing with this thread is really just annoying to read. Take it back to the trash talk please and let those of us who are interested in this subject get back to business. _________________
Just because something is outside of your paradigm, doesn't mean it's idiotic. As I stated above, reading that fast is no where near impossible.
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Do you really think the people here care about that silly skill.
Um...I do? Human enhancement is one of my foremost interests.
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I'm just lampooning your post's... nothing more....LOL!!!
Is this necessary? Really? I mean making pointless attacks on GT and screwing with this thread is really just annoying to read. Take it back to the trash talk please and let those of us who are interested in this subject get back to business.
It's not a pointless attack, GT still thinks nothing of coming into my threads and doing exactly what I did here. If he can pull this cra_p so can I. Get used to it....!!
Until people get down on GT and get him to back off .... this will never end... as I've already said countless times....!! _________________ "We have two choices in life. We can choose to see the best situation in our lives, or bemoan why things are not working." ~ Cynthia Stafford
Speed reading 6000 words per min....lol... you must be giving yourself too much credit there buddy
The testing protocol I gave to Mr. Qwerty works for everyone. No matter how many times I ran the test, the results were the same.
PleiadianHealer wrote:
that sounds really idiotic...lol...
Expecting money to fall out of the sky sounds idiotic.
Expecting women to fall all overy you because you played a MP3 for a 2 weeks sounds idiotic.
Expecting people to do what you say, because you fervently wish it sounds idoitic.
These thing seem pretty idiotic to me, but you believe not only are they possible, but they are part and parcel of your world. In my world, I read fast, but reading fast was not the end goal. the virtual reality aspect of reading was not the end goal either. Reading enjoyment was the end goal.
PleiadianHealer wrote:
I like the way you segued into boasting about yourself even though this thread is supposed to be about intuition.
It's not boasting if you can do it. However, there are few places where I can discuss this. It crosses too many disciplines, and too many of them are fringe to begin with. I took a chance that maybe someone here might be familiar with some of the goals of the Human Potential movement. I guess that person wasn't you.
PleiadianHealer wrote:
Do you really think the people here care about that silly skill.
I won't know unless I ask. So far, no one has mentioned it, although everyone whom uses a radbox also seems to use intuition without realizing it.
PleiadianHealer wrote:
You make me laugh, and remember I'm just lampooning your post's... nothing more....LOL!!!
So you didn't have a purpose in posting except to point out that you wish to make fun of yet another skill/ability that you don't possess.Noted. _________________ Quotes ≠ Knowledge.
Doing brings Knowledge!
Right ≠ number of believers.
Results show Rightness or Wrongness.
Quoting others ≠ being right even if they are!
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Just because something is outside of your paradigm, doesn't mean it's idiotic. As I stated above, reading that fast is no where near impossible.
PleiadianHealer wrote:
Do you really think the people here care about that silly skill.
Rayzorblades wrote:
Um...I do? Human enhancement is one of my foremost interests.
PleiadianHealer wrote:
I'm just lampooning your post's... nothing more....LOL!!!
Rayzorblades wrote:
Is this necessary? Really? I mean making pointless attacks on GT and screwing with this thread is really just annoying to read. Take it back to the trash talk please and let those of us who are interested in this subject get back to business.
PleiadianHealer wrote:
It's not a pointless attack, GT still thinks nothing of coming into my threads and doing exactly what I did here. If he can pull this cra_p so can I. Get used to it....!!
Until people get down on GT and get him to back off .... this will never end... as I've already said countless times....!!
My observations are often contrarian PH, no doubt. However my latest observation was not directed at you, but at the piece. You've come to this thread to dump, because you have not separated criticism leveled at the piece, from criticism leveled at you.
I find it rather odd that in a piece that talks negatively about social programming, you seem to engage in a great deal of it yourself. While upholding the piece as illuminating the social roles given and enforced, you nonetheless attempt to fulfill those same roles even to the point of cheating. This seem extremely hypocritical and self-serving. I'm not sure how pointing this out makes me an AH, unless of course this obviously hypocritical thought and behavior is not something you want known. I'd advise you to make the distinction, but i'm equally sure you'll ignore that advice since I'm the one giving it.
Anyway, This thread needs to get back on topic. If you've anything further to add, you can do it on the thread you originally posted from. _________________ Quotes ≠ Knowledge.
Doing brings Knowledge!
Right ≠ number of believers.
Results show Rightness or Wrongness.
Quoting others ≠ being right even if they are!
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GT I"m stll waiting for you to try to get me (or I should say con me) into believing that you can read 6000 words per min. I can't help but laugh thinking how much you must be feel so good you can come here and boast about your incredible skills, which of couse you could never prove.
And to think you started this thread with a poll, which nobody cares about, that has to do with intuition. Reading, you're so-called, 6000 words per, if pure horse cookies, but of course now you're going to go into one of your long-winded posts, where you bore us with all the silly trivia of something like that.... geeze... I can't wait for your response...lol.... this should be a riot!!
_________________ "We have two choices in life. We can choose to see the best situation in our lives, or bemoan why things are not working." ~ Cynthia Stafford
My question is, is it pleasurable to read books this way? I used to speedread myself, but I found that it wasn't as fun or as interesting as getting into my books
As it turns out, very pleasurable. It's my native speed, which I do if I'm not thinking about it. In a weird sort of way, you notice how the author turns a phrase which is to say how they go about describing things.
Mr.Qwerty wrote:
What about comprehension?
Comprehension was always high, even before I learned to speedread at my current levels. My mother was convinced she had a little genius on her hands, so taught me to read before I entered kindergarten. It caused placement problems, because technically, you aren't supposed to be able to read before K. The school administration was very hostile, and challenged my mother to show them my "reading skills." The next day she dragged down half my "library" of Golden Spine Books -300 books in a folding shopping cart. I was so embarrassed. She dragged the cart right into the principles office, pointed at the cart and said "pick any book!"
I spent a good 2 hours reading books to him. Finally he had me stop and told my mother that I must have memorized every word in all 300 books. So she gives him that look (you know the one -"You're an AH") and says "so what do you think reading is?" so he says "He doesn't understand what he's read" So my mother told him to pick any book again and have me give a synopsis of whichever one he choose, which I promptly did.
He was very angry, but had to admit that kindergarten would be a waste of time.
He was still determined to make my mother (and my) lives miserable, so he insisted that I spend part of the day in "Romper Room" as my mother called it, and part of the day in the library. This actually made things worse...
Mr.Qwerty wrote:
It seems to me that these things wouldn't be a problem if you actually experienced these things in your mind's eye. That way it appears that your mind would make use of various abilities - perceptive time dilation for instance, to perceive a greater amount of information that would normally be possible.
That was pretty much the case. Back in those days, ESP as psi was known, occurred to my mother as well. I scored low on Zener Decks as well. This kind of disappointed her, but the evidence was right in front of her that something unusual was happening. Years later when I became a teenager, I had a reading done. It was kind of eerie because the reader said I had very high psychic "potential" [ability] but no "focus" meaning that it would not manifest in any one area. It would be "on" all the time, and it would sort of "attach" it self to whatever I was doing. Needless to say I had no idea what she meant. I had gotten similar readings since, but only recently did I understand that what they were talking about was intuition.
Intuition is very hard to pin down as a separate ability. It's like water in that it takes on whatever perception is being used, without making itself known. For me, it is very much like there being "echos" to perception. It's sort of like trying to look at one of your eyeballs with the other one. If you look in the mirror, whatever you perceive disappears. It's kind of frustrating to try and separate something that's been with you your whole life into a discrete -well something else. It's spidered into everything, yet there is nothing you can point to and say "There. Right there is Ability X"
Perception is a funny thing because we talk about it like it is primarily a visual phenomena, but it isn't really. So many inputs make up perception, but we don't have a vocabulary to discuss it. We barely acknowledge (in the West) that such thing as an aura exists, even though the operation of the aura has made it into popular vernacular. We talk about getting "bad vibes" from someone or something. We mention "feeling uneasy" or being "rubbed the wrong way" we talk about "being in sync" with someone, without ever acknowledging that these are all inputs from one aura.
In the movies or tv you have the violins or a choir to clue you in that something significant (usually bad) is about to happen. No such thing happens is real life, but you nevertheless often get an omen or foreshadowing that something significant is about to happen.
Mr.Qwerty wrote:
Do you use Nootropics or 'Smart Nutrients' yourself GT?
I used to. Even though nootropics aren't psychoactive, I did become concerned about constantly filtering the inert components through my body. I gradually gave up the nootropics and phased in smart nutrients. I've no doubt they work, but there is the whole "intuition" thing to consider. Are they really working or is that non-specific ability simple enhancing what is already there?
Say I tell myself I want to be smarter -I want to be able to understand this subject. So LogicalMe says "load up on some smart drugs and smart nutrients before you tackle the subject." IntuitiveMe is thus alerted that I want to "understand" whatever the topic is, and links in to the greater supra-consciousness and starts downloading comprehensive little pieces that further my understanding.
Is this what is happening? I've no idea. For me, the smart drugs and smart nutrients "work" and I could even tell you how, but I also can't discount that my intuition had something to do with it.
Mr.Qwerty wrote:
What do you think?
I think Smart Drugs & Nutrients are a boon. The jury is still out on whether or not they will do anything for psi-related abilities, but it can't hurt to try, and if nothing else, the boost to your currently mental abilities cannot be discounted. _________________ Quotes ≠ Knowledge.
Doing brings Knowledge!
Right ≠ number of believers.
Results show Rightness or Wrongness.
Quoting others ≠ being right even if they are!
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