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[JonRD574]

From my reading through the forums, I've noticed that most people are pretty open to the scientific possibilities of paranormal powers, activities. etc. For example, what was once the mysterious and ethereally cosmic almighty Third Eye has now been determined to be the pineal gland.

Quantum Physics is another thing. I'm willing to bet most of you have seen "What the BLEEP do we know?", and are aware of how the energy we send out affects other people, plants, inanimate objects, etc.

I'm guessing that faith and belief in something is a type of energy we send out, but where does disbelief fit into all this? How this relates to the subject of the thread is simply this: (Hypothetically speaking) If I do evil deeds I will get bad karma and have the evil brought against me. What if I refuse to believe in the existence of karma? If the refusal to believe in something takes away its energy, then how can the threat of bad karma effectively serve as a deterrent for evil deeds?

Jon

[Dreamweaver]

hmm well truthfully, the 3rd eye seems to be chakra or energy vortex point on the body, not really a specific organ, The 3rd eye as far as I am aware extends straight through your head to the opposite point at the back of your head.

"What the BLEEP do we know" while quite thought provoking, in my books it lost a lot of weight by including the 'entity/fabrication known as Ramtha'
as channeled by cult leader JZ Knight.

Karma seems to function more as a 'you get what you put in.' Things naturally seem to seek balance, balancing the equation of sorts, You put in a lot of 'evil' actions and naturally for you to get a proper balance you will have to experience the same or similar things. Karma is mostly a lesson teacher and by actually understanding and accepting actions and reactions you get to step up the ladder of evolution.

Personal opinion and oberservations here, it wont really matter if you believe or refuse to believe. Refusal to believe means keeping your consciousness within a 'closed system of belief' the existence and acceptance of karma is outside of the 'closed system' so regardless of if karma is real or not, the person refusing to believe will never see his actions as a reaction and so he will find arguements to support his belief system and the non existence of Karma.
The opposite holds true as well; to some casual observer/s it would appear that the person is indeed experiencing karma.

Karma isnt really a deterrent for evil deeds, you could probably call it an experience equalizer. Experience is what you learn from, both 'good' and 'bad'

Oh btw, Refusal to believe wont really take away any energy, by making effort to actually refuse and refute, you acknowledge the existence of the concept and that alone adds to its energy probably in an even stronger way than simply just acknowledging it.

[Vortex]

There is alway a scientific explanation for everything. The thing is though, "scientific" does not equate "physical, down to earth", or explainable only within current frameworks of reality. Science is a standard for quality of research and drawing conclusions from that research. It is the way of making sure that there are no other explanations possible.

Science starts with simple elementary constructs of which it is reasonable sure it is true and builds upon that to start explaining other, more complex things. You could say this creates a "knowledge chain" or network of facts, all relying on each other.
You can immediately see what problems could arise from this. First, what if an error still was made along the way somewhere in the network? Second, what if you try to explain a certain phenomena, but you are still missing the intermediary constructs (or tools) along the network to do so.

In my opinion, quantum physics is a nice way of showing, hey funny stuff is going on. But in itself is too limited and incomplete to describe or prove psychic phenomena at this points. I'm fairly certain that the existence of psychic phenomena could be ascertained right now, if it hasn't been already (see all the research from Princeton and Stanton). But our knowledge network or scientific paradigm is not complete enough yet to accurately explain the exact details or inner workings. Which is currently the biggest problem with scientists today. It is like trying to explain string theory to 16th century physicists, they lack the framework to understand it.

On to Karma. Karma is even more difficult to understand and probably even more outside of our current knowledge network then the more tangible things like psychokinesis. Also very few people seem to know what it is really is. In my opinion Karma is not anywhere close to being a deterrent for evil deeds. Karma is way of ensuring the evolution of soul. It is a way of bringing insight into ones own actions and their consequences, often by turning the tables around. Such experiences give insight and from insight the soul grows and matures.

It also does not give a damn about what you believe or not. You can believe gravity does not exist all you want, yet you will fall down when you jump from that mountain.

The only "evidence" for all this is mainly hypnotic regression, with all its faults and pitfalls. Channeling is another source, but that is even more unreliable.
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[i2wisdom]

People simply believe what they want to believe.

Ignorance or disbelief of a countries laws will not free you once you are caught. Deterrent or not, is irrelevant.

You cannot ignore the rules of the game if you are IN the game!

Why is it there in the first place?

Is there a purpose?
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[JonRD574]

Comparing Karma to laws and things like gravity is like comparing the existence of God to the existence of a glass of water in your hand. One is irrefutable, while the other requires faith.

What got me thinking about this, oddly enough, was the part of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where it's explained that the Babelfish was proof of the non-existence of God. It's an amusing little logical treatment, but it made me think of other intangibles, such as karma.

It lead me to a question that covers just about everything that's not irrefutably proven: Do we give existence and power to these things simply by believing in them, and if so, does not believing deconstruct such things?

I appreciate the responses so far. Very thought provoking.

Jon

[i2wisdom]

Karma is the science of logic, cause & effect. You do this and you get that. Lower grade/middle school science?

Look around the spot where you are now.

Perhaps what's lacking is the unconditional recognition of the scope this law applies to. Proof, if you seek them, is abundant.

As always, people choose what's convenient to their feelings at the moment, and reject what's not.

Why do we reject the science of logic (karma) for some issues, but accept it for others?

The question is not whether karma exists, but whether can we accept it?
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[Dreamweaver]

Hmm interesting Jon, I thought Karma was the most logical faithless belief, because it simply cause and effect.
But to answer the core of your question, not believing will not really deconstruct it because (keeping with your line of thought) the larger mass of people believe in it, therefore it gains power to exist regardless of your disbelief. It is really the mass conscious and unconscious belief of humanity that help shape the general reality you exist in, not wims and fancy of one person. It is like fighting against the tide, while not impossible, certainly not as simple as you think

[Vortex]

[Ford]

I know a lot of people who think they don't believe in Karma...but it still comes round a knockin. You reap what you sow.

[HotIceAngel]

Karmas a Bitch but since you no about it at least you can be prepared.

[Ford]

That's true, awareness is the first step.