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Pope benedict's comment
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 Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:30 am Post subject: Pope benedict's comment |
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| Do you feel the Muslim response to Pope Benedict's comment on Jihad is reasonable or is it overkill? |
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Lol and you even ask?
Pope: "God doesn't rejoice in blood"
Muslim fanatics (aka the most): "Heresy!!! Blasphemy!!! Ignorance about what Islam is about!!!"
And so (very coherently I must say): "Kill the infidel!! We'll burn and crumble the Holy Cross in Rome (Vatican City)!!!"
Pope: "I'm sorry, that wasn't absolutely my intention, I'm for dialogue and peace, sorry if I offended anyone it was not only my intention but what I cited was NOT EVEN MY OPINION"
Muslim fanatics: "Abhomination!! That's not enough at all!! Repent and join us you infidel, or die!!! We'll destroy the walls of Rome"
...and some idiot bastard in Somalia promptly murdered an old missionary nun who was spending her life there helping Somalian people 
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Most of nowadays christians fully admit that all those holy wars, crusades, spanish inquisition etc. etc. are horrible, they are ashamed that those things happend in name of Jesus and they detach themselves from that bloody past.
How many moslims do that? How many moslims have the courage to say: some things we did in the past are not OK? |
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| Julius Caesar wrote: | Most of nowadays christians fully admit that all those holy wars, crusades, spanish inquisition etc. etc. are horrible, they are ashamed that those things happend in name of Jesus and they detach themselves from that bloody past.
How many moslims do that? How many moslims have the courage to say: some things we did in the past are not OK? |
I've seen some letters that some muslims leaders sent to the White House ahortly after the 9/11, and I have strong conviction that many do indeed.
You cannot generalize and say that because of some people that uses a religion as an excuse to kill, everyone that follows this religion is going to kill.
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Organized religion whether, Christian, Muslim or what not, has always brought out the best and worst in people. It's a powerful force: only through religion do people force reason to take the backseat in the name of faith.
I believe in a God- or intelligent energy behind everything. But I do NOT believe in many of the dogmas, doctrines and filth organized religions spew out like garbage.
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| ChuckNorris wrote: | | Julius Caesar wrote: | Most of nowadays christians fully admit that all those holy wars, crusades, spanish inquisition etc. etc. are horrible, they are ashamed that those things happend in name of Jesus and they detach themselves from that bloody past.
How many moslims do that? How many moslims have the courage to say: some things we did in the past are not OK? |
I've seen some letters that some muslims leaders sent to the White House ahortly after the 9/11, and I have strong conviction that many do indeed.
You cannot generalize and say that because of some people that uses a religion as an excuse to kill, everyone that follows this religion is going to kill. |
I do not say that. What I say is that for nowadays christians it is very common to say that they are bloody ashamed about their bloody past. For a muslim this seems almost impossible |
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| Julius Caesar wrote: | Most of nowadays christians fully admit that all those holy wars, crusades, spanish inquisition etc. etc. are horrible, they are ashamed that those things happend in name of Jesus and they detach themselves from that bloody past.
How many moslims do that? How many moslims have the courage to say: some things we did in the past are not OK? |
in Catholicism there is a "Pope" Head of the Church, Vicar of Christ and have unique laws differ than ordinary Chrisitan.
in Islam "Sunni 95% of Muslim" There is no Head or representative of all Muslims.
Crusade wars are with the urge, approval and subsidy of the Popes "they didn't apologies till now".
Insults to Islamic Propht is by the Pope.
9/11 with the urge, approval and subsidy of Binladen "many muslims died in that trade center".
normal Muslims and normal Christians are not guilty and do not have to apologies and it is stupid/wronge to apologies for things they didn't commit.
The Vatican want to prevent Turkia from joining Europ Union, so i think the Pope statements was to electrify Turkish to cancel the Pope visit to Turkia and to fuel the planned crusade war "from time to time you will read hear and see things about Islamic icons which electrify muslims."!
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| Julius Caesar wrote: | | ChuckNorris wrote: | | Julius Caesar wrote: | Most of nowadays christians fully admit that all those holy wars, crusades, spanish inquisition etc. etc. are horrible, they are ashamed that those things happend in name of Jesus and they detach themselves from that bloody past.
How many moslims do that? How many moslims have the courage to say: some things we did in the past are not OK? |
I've seen some letters that some muslims leaders sent to the White House ahortly after the 9/11, and I have strong conviction that many do indeed.
You cannot generalize and say that because of some people that uses a religion as an excuse to kill, everyone that follows this religion is going to kill. |
I do not say that. What I say is that for nowadays christians it is very common to say that they are bloody ashamed about their bloody past. For a muslim this seems almost impossible |
Its easy to say the past was wrong when you weren't even alive to be a part of it. For many christians the war in Iraq is viewed that God favors them so they are right. They don't seem to be ashamed, do they? I'm not defending Muslims either. I agree with John Rice.
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| asdf wrote: | | Julius Caesar wrote: | Most of nowadays christians fully admit that all those holy wars, crusades, spanish inquisition etc. etc. are horrible, they are ashamed that those things happend in name of Jesus and they detach themselves from that bloody past.
How many moslims do that? How many moslims have the courage to say: some things we did in the past are not OK? |
in Catholicism there is a "Pope" Head of the Church, Vicar of Christ and have unique laws differ than ordinary Chrisitan.
in Islam "Sunni 95% of Muslim" There is no Head or representative of all Muslims.
Crusade wars are with the urge, approval and subsidy of the Popes "they didn't apologies till now".
Insults to Islamic Propht is by the Pope.
9/11 with the urge, approval and subsidy of Binladen "many muslims died in that trade center".
normal Muslims and normal Christians are not guilty and do not have to apologies and it is stupid/wronge to apologies for things they didn't commit.
The Vatican want to prevent Turkia from joining Europ Union, so i think the Pope statements was to electrify Turkish to cancel the Pope visit to Turkia and to fuel the planned crusade war "from time to time you will read hear and see things about Islamic icons which electrify muslims."!
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Indeed.
There surely are political interests behind these comments.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were the finger of Bush in the middle of it...
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Can't say I will miss this one. This pope had done more to splinter the church than to unify it.
Interesting how the college of cardinals chose a poor shadow to replace the greatest pope who walked the earth. |
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| inspector_11 wrote: | | For many christians the war in Iraq is viewed that God favors them so they are right. They don't seem to be ashamed, do they? |
Indeed.. I have observed the same.
For rather than a sense of shame; when forced to confront the violent & murderous (Ah, and let us not forget the mass rape of women!) historical context by which their Faith was both initially forged and substantially furthered..
It would seem the absurdity of such an attempted union between a (logically) irreconcilable past and present causes within them a sort of momentary cognitive dissonance..
Of course, the religion of Christians has been revamped and modernized for the consumption of the world's masses many times; and of course, to best serve the interests of particular non-state actors within the larger frame of the individual state—commonly for purposes of arousing strong nationalistic feelings; useful indeed for the routing of dissidents and maintaining a relatively static level of societal cohesion across class lines.
Flawless ever-mutating memetic viruses..
One must admire the stronger religions;
If only for their perpetuity of rule.
A truly marvelous tool for a tyrant!
As for the Christian who professes belief..
A lack of conflict or stress over such an undeniable dichotomy would surely suggest an insincere belief in the actual validity of the religious text; i.e., the Word of God.
Referencing Maslow's Hierarchy Of Needs, most likely such intellectual dishonesty exists for the transcendent purpose of providing the emotional comfort and security required by the more or less civilized Human animal..
Although, given what I've observed of Humans..
Mental sloth is yet another cause & effect of their Faith that may not be entirely discounted.
 ..Or alternatively, one might espouse a religious fervor of this sort: God's Children.
~At least their interpretation is actually sound and consistent. A bloody rarity!
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I recall a prolific reporter calling the Muslim faith "A Mental Illness" and "Christianity" a "Delusionary Escape"
Behold.... 2007 heralds the decline of religion
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What do you consider worse?
Living in the wake of the Antichrist's thrall over a world abandoned by the Christ.
Or waking one morning to discover that neither Christ nor Anti Christ existed- and that they were elaborate hoaxes.
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